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Re: Convict John Mackley arrived 1813
« Reply #9 on: Monday 14 April 25 01:14 BST (UK) »
Ancestry   records
Sydney, Australia, Anglican Parish Registers, 1814-2011 for John Mackley


 has copy of  Burial's at parish Of St Lukes Liverpool , which records his burial 26.9.1835 aged 70yrs

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Re: Convict John Mackley arrived 1813
« Reply #10 on: Monday 14 April 25 01:47 BST (UK) »


'My' John Mackley married Ann Richards in 1793 as John Coy Mackley of Freeby.  His presumed parents (John Mackley & Mary Coy) had married in Freeby in 1764.

Freeby and Saxelbye appear to be about 8-miles apart on opposite sides of Melton Mowbray, so there's just this niggling doubt.

John Coy Mackley had to sell his farm and make an arrangement with his creditors in 1809 so its possible he was driven to theft in order to feed his family and went to somewhere he was less likely to be known, but I still don't feel confident enough to claim him as mine!



I haven't looked into it in detail, but there is a John MACKLEY and William MACKLEY noted as farmers of Freeby in William WHITE's 1846 "History, gazetteer, and directory of Leicestershire and the small County of Rutland, together with the adjacent towns of Grantham & Stamford : comprising general surveys of both counties and separate historical, statistical & topographical descriptions of all their hundreds, towns, parishes "
Is this your man, or maybe a son?

I agree, though, the 1844 letter sounds like it will help identify the John MACKLEY convict.

Modified to add:
Sorry, looking at the reference again, I see it says that John and William MACKLEY were farmers at Welby, 5 miles from Freeby. Need to put my glasses on ...

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Re: Convict John Mackley arrived 1813
« Reply #11 on: Monday 14 April 25 02:02 BST (UK) »
Ooh now that's interesting.  He did have a son named John who became an ag lab, but I'm not aware of one named William so I'll look into that. 

Ann, his wife, died just a few months after he was imprisoned so I've also been looking for any records relating to the children in this period, but so far I haven't found anything.

EDIT: Just seen your edit.  Oh well!
MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham, North Yorkshire.  RAIN/RAINE: Cumberland.  TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. FORBES: Berwickshire, CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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Re: Convict John Mackley arrived 1813
« Reply #12 on: Monday 14 April 25 02:15 BST (UK) »
I've just spotted a record I didn't see earlier, which is an 1805 acquittal at Leicester Assizes for John Mackley charged with larceny from the person.

Any further information about that might be handy too.
MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham, North Yorkshire.  RAIN/RAINE: Cumberland.  TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. FORBES: Berwickshire, CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.


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Re: Convict John Mackley arrived 1813
« Reply #13 on: Monday 14 April 25 04:14 BST (UK) »
Unfortunately, a newspaper account of the acquittal doesn't give any further information.
Saturday,  Mar. 30, 1805
Publication: Northampton Mercury

"The assizes for the county of Leicester ended on Monday last ... John Mackley ... were severally acquitted."

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Re: Convict John Mackley arrived 1813
« Reply #14 on: Monday 14 April 25 12:31 BST (UK) »
Another dead end then by the look of it.

I've been trying to figure out that reference to the letter - 44/2540 dated 6 Mar 1844 and it seems to be referenced here under Reel 2537 then either item 2401 or 2403

https://mhnsw.au/articles/922/#Indexes-1826-1906

I've looked on Ancestry on the Register of Letters Received 1843-1845 and there is an entry numbered 44/2540 (image 233), but its nothing to do with John Mackley and not dated 6 March 1844, so I'm more confused than ever  ???



MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham, North Yorkshire.  RAIN/RAINE: Cumberland.  TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. FORBES: Berwickshire, CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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Re: Convict John Mackley arrived 1813
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 15 April 25 02:00 BST (UK) »
He has a death certificate.  It doesn't record the names of his parents but it may give you a more specific place of birth:

Name    John Macley
Death Date    1835
Death Place    Liverpool, New South Wales
Registration Date    1835
Registration Place    Liverpool, Australia
Volume Number    V18351994 19

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Re: Convict John Mackley arrived 1813
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 15 April 25 02:06 BST (UK) »
I think you will find that at this time prior to 1856 when Registration began, the information on the BMD Index comes from the burial record, which Jomot already has.

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Re: Convict John Mackley arrived 1813
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 15 April 25 02:14 BST (UK) »
I've been looking at the records for the conviction of John MACKLEY, does it seem that Peter BRAMBLEY (born c1795 Birmingham) is involved in the same offense? Have you found any connection between them?

Also, can't really decipher what this Criminal Record says.  :-\