Convict John Mackley arrived 1813

[Jomot]

I don’t have much experience with convict records and I’m getting myself in a bit of a muddle so I’m hoping someone will take pity and help me out! 

John Mackley was sentenced to death at the Leicester Assises on 22 July 1812, but this must have been commuted as he arrived in NSW the following October aboard the Earl Spencer. The convict indent gives his YoB as c1764: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/2024/records/30499

He gained his ticket of leave in 1823. The ToL was reissued in 1829 but gives his YoB as 1775:  https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=ANZ%2FAUSTICKETSOFLEAVE%2F00011793&tab=this

The convict indent also has a handwritten note added that I can’t make out (see below). He died in Sept 1835 so its not that, and there seems to be some reference to a letter in 1844?

What I’m ultimately trying to do is prove or disprove whether this man is my 4xG Grandfather, so any other information about his DoB or PoB would be fantastic.

[Milliepede]

Doesn’t it say died Oct 1838? 

Then see letter dated 6 March 1844

[Neale1961]

Perhaps the letter dated 1844 was an enquiry about his well being sent from family in England, because they had not heard from him for a while (since he died in 1838).


I think when the ticket of leave was re-isssued, because the first copy was mutilated and cancelled, his year of birth as 1775 was a clerical error. All other details are correct with the original convict indent.

[Jomot]

Doesn’t it say died Oct 1838? 

Then see letter dated 6 March 1844

No, as per my opening post he died September 1835.  His burial (St Lukes, Liverpool) says aged 70, Ship: Earl Spencer, Quality or Profession: Ticket of Leave, so its definitely him.

[sparrett]

From NSW State Archives.
Place of birth Leics


INX-65-63808
Title
MACKLEY John
Index Name
Convicts Index 1791-1873
Name John MACKLEY
Index Number 65
Ship Earl Spencer
Year 1813
Ticket of Leave
Entry No
29/861
Remarks
District: Liverpool; Born: Leics; Trade: Labourer; Tried: Leics Asz
Citation [4/4072; Reel 912]

[Jomot]

Thanks  .

However, that's the index for the ToL I've linked above and the image says born Leicestershire.  I was hoping something somewhere was a bit more specific, but I'm not sure what other records might be available to check. 

If it is my 4xG Grandfather then neither he or any siblings were baptised, meaning I'm not entirely certain of his YoB so was hoping for something showing more than just the county.

The 1844 letter might be the key to it, but I've no idea where or if I might find a copy.

[Drosybont]

Leicester Mercury 31 July 1812 reporting on prisoners in the County Gaol:  ". . . John Mackley, for stealing of a five pound note and other articles at Saxelbye . . ."

Drosybont

[Neale1961]

There is an item relating to your John Mackley in the Colonial Secretary Papers
Here he is recorded as John MARCHLEY, and has him on a list of convicts forwarded to Thomas Moore of Liverpool Plains for distribution.

https://search.records.nsw.gov.au/permalink/f/1ebnd1l/INDEX2521041
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That is the only record of communication I can see for him.


Note - His death date (Sept 1835) as recorded on find a grave site may not be accurate.


ADDED - TOL item from newspaper.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/2182094?searchTerm=mackley%20AND%20%22Earl%20Spencer%22

[Jomot]

Leicester Mercury 31 July 1812 reporting on prisoners in the County Gaol:  ". . . John Mackley, for stealing of a five pound note and other articles at Saxelbye . . ."

Thanks, and that's part of my problem   

'My' John Mackley married Ann Richards in 1793 as John Coy Mackley of Freeby.  His presumed parents (John Mackley & Mary Coy) had married in Freeby in 1764.

Freeby and Saxelbye appear to be about 8-miles apart on opposite sides of Melton Mowbray, so there's just this niggling doubt.

John Coy Mackley had to sell his farm and make an arrangement with his creditors in 1809 so its possible he was driven to theft in order to feed his family and went to somewhere he was less likely to be known, but I still don't feel confident enough to claim him as mine!

The lack of a YoB for him and the 'missing' middle name in Australia are still a concern.

Note - His death date (Sept 1835) as recorded on find a grave site may not be accurate.

The actual church register is online so I'm satisfied that the 1835 burial date is correct.  Its a puzzle!

Thank you for those additional records - I kept looking & looking at the Colonial Secretary image but couldn't see him until the penny dropped that there were two columns of names to each page  .