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WW1 Attestation Papers -- dependants?
« on: Sunday 13 April 25 11:49 BST (UK) »
I have found a copy of the Attestation papers for my husband's Great-Grandmother's brother Abel Plant

He had gone out to NZ from the UK just before the First World War.

His Attestation Papers dated 1917 state that he is single but that he has one person "wholly dependant on him"
Would that person be himself, or has he acquired a dependant somewhere along the way?
It would not be his mother back in England as he had several siblings to provide any care / financial assistance required.

Is there any way to find out who the dependant was?

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/61564/records/201398579
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Whitney - Herefordshire
Watson -  Northamptonshire
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Re: WW1 Attestation Papers -- dependants?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 13 April 25 14:07 BST (UK) »
Note that your link does not work unless someone has Ancestry account.
However there is no need to link to Ancestry as NZ war records are freely available from the national archives
https://collections.archives.govt.nz/en/web/arena/search#/entity/aims-archive/R20801725/

It would not be him. The dependant could be a parent, sibling, etc.  It could of course have been an error or misunderstanding - he said he was sending money back to his mother in England, and they marked that as "one".

The only clue is that he gives his next of kin as his sister, Mrs E. Greening in Havelock.

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Re: WW1 Attestation Papers -- dependants?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 13 April 25 16:07 BST (UK) »
Just because he had siblings he could still be the one responsible for caring for a dependent. 
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Re: WW1 Attestation Papers -- dependants?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 13 April 25 16:10 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the revised link

The Mrs E Greening would be his married sister who had gone out to NZ with her husband a few years earlier.

There were 3 other siblings still in England
So it can only be some sort of misunderstanding  -- especially if he was sending money home to his mother.
Though I cannot imagine he was able to spare much from a Hotel Porter's wage

Wainwright - Yorkshire
Whitney - Herefordshire
Watson -  Northamptonshire
Trant - Yorkshire
Helps - all
Needham - Derbyshire
Waterhouse - Derbyshire
Northing - all


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Re: WW1 Attestation Papers -- dependants?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 13 April 25 22:20 BST (UK) »
Hello.

Out of curiosity had a quick look at our NZ Papers Past web site.

Thought I could have been on a winner with 114 hits over a 50 year search period -

“Able Plant”  1900 ~ 1950

Only to find 113 of those hits appear to have found “-able plant”

Below is a link to the Manawatu Standard 21/3/1921 page 3, under the caption of LICENCING LAWS

Re barman Able Plant serving liqueur.  So not much help.

Papers Past | Newspapers | Manawatu Standard | 21 March 1921 | LICENSING LAWS.

paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/MS19210321.2.19?end_date=31-12-1950&items_per_page=100&phrase=2&query=Able+Plant&snippet=true&sort_by=byDA&start_date=01-01-1900

Alan.

EDIT: PS Sorry not having much luck posting a direct link.
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Re: WW1 Attestation Papers -- dependants?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 14 April 25 21:36 BST (UK) »
Alan, I think you will find the man you were searching for in Papers Past was Abel Plant. 😊


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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: WW1 Attestation Papers -- dependants?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 14 April 25 21:43 BST (UK) »
Oh dear looks like I should give up being curious, when I can not even spot typo's and spelling mistakes.

Thanks

Alan.

PS ...  And then again the press had a typo.  Same search but with "Abel Plant" comes up with only two hits. One that is valid, in the Evening Post, March 22nd 1921, reporting under the Manawatu correspondent banner, that Abel PLANT, barman was before the local court.
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Re: WW1 Attestation Papers -- dependants?
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 15 April 25 00:03 BST (UK) »
Oh dear looks like I should give up being curious, when I can not even spot typo's and spelling mistakes.

Thanks

Alan.

PS ...  And then again the press had a typo.  Same search but with "Abel Plant" comes up with only two hits. One that is valid, in the Evening Post, March 22nd 1921, reporting under the Manawatu correspondent banner, that Abel PLANT, barman was before the local court.

Not to worry Alan. Very easily done... :)
HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.