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Re: looking for information on Sophey [Sophie] gilbert bron 1899.
« Reply #45 on: Wednesday 30 April 25 13:02 BST (UK) »

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so this fellow
///////    Thomas Hart Gilbert  was born in 1859.

  The search details say this
///////

Census    in Clogheen Tipperary
              with parents age 9...
                1868

Census   in Clogheen       rest of family left

               1869   
             Clogheen Tipperary.

Census  1873    Clogheen Tipperary

                Holmes Grandparents


Essnell,
Where are you obtaining this information?

Can you please attach the relevant links.


Researching: Cuthbertson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Australia; Hunter – Co. Derry; Jackson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Canada; Scott – Co. Derry; Neilly – Co. Antrim & USA; McCurdy – Co. Antrim; Nixon – Co. Cavan, Co. Donegal, Canada & USA; Ryan & Noble – Co. Sligo

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Re: looking for information on Sophey [Sophie] gilbert bron 1899.
« Reply #46 on: Thursday 01 May 25 02:01 BST (UK) »

Hi Kiltaglassan,   The info is off My Heritage and a family tree actually a couple of those.    The link below is to one of those.

But I was able to view their Family Search link yesterday but can't get to it now. That has similar info posted by one of the younger generations.  However there is little else posted such as birth date marriage and death all of which I have documents for.  I didn't add anything at the time.   

There is a private story to all of this which is annoying as none of it can be proven.  something like an NPE.  that is why I was after those Census . 


https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-1-411057201-1-501131/thomas-hart-gilbert-in-myheritage-family-trees

maybe it would help if i Pm you what I know of the story.
 Thanks again    Essnell

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Re: looking for information on Sophey [Sophie] gilbert bron 1899.
« Reply #47 on: Thursday 01 May 25 09:29 BST (UK) »


https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-1-411057201-1-501131/thomas-hart-gilbert-in-myheritage-family-trees

maybe it would help if i Pm you what I know of the story.
 

I don't have access to the subscription site MyHeritage.

.....and it's probably better if you keep all your data on this thread, and don't use a PM ( which restricts others from seeing your data).


Researching: Cuthbertson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Australia; Hunter – Co. Derry; Jackson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Canada; Scott – Co. Derry; Neilly – Co. Antrim & USA; McCurdy – Co. Antrim; Nixon – Co. Cavan, Co. Donegal, Canada & USA; Ryan & Noble – Co. Sligo

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Re: looking for information on Sophey [Sophie] gilbert bron 1899.
« Reply #48 on: Thursday 01 May 25 09:58 BST (UK) »
I don't have access to the subscription site MyHeritage.
.....and it's probably better if you keep all your data on this thread, and don't use a PM ( which restricts others from seeing your data).

I don't have a subscription to My Hertiage either so I can't see that information. I did find Thomas Hart Gilbert in several records on Family Search but looking at the attached family tree(s) I don't see those census details.

Which brings me to the census records listed- 1868, 1869, 1873. All nonsense! The Irish Census was taken every ten years- for example, 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891, etc. I'm not sure how My Heritage works when you are putting sources into a family tree but most sites have a drop-down menu where you have a variety of choices. Possibly the tree owner had put in the year of an event then selected census in error? (trying to given them the benefit of the doubt) Have you tried sending a message to that person to get clarification?

It is usually better to keep everything on one thread so everyone can see what's been found so far. HOWEVER, there are also cases where living people are involved or a poster does not wish to post something online and it's entirely up to them.

I've still been following this thread since it was so interesting but haven't posted on it recently. Essnell, if you need help with anything feel free to PM me.
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!


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Re: looking for information on Sophey [Sophie] gilbert bron 1899.
« Reply #49 on: Thursday 01 May 25 13:02 BST (UK) »
find my past

Sophey born 1898 census of 1901
Sophy born 1899 census of 1911

married Edward Kingston is is down as Sophia

cannot find a birth but census says she was born in Tipperary on census

http://www.findmypast.co.uk

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Re: looking for information on Sophey [Sophie] gilbert bron 1899.
« Reply #50 on: Thursday 01 May 25 14:21 BST (UK) »

Sophey born 1898 census of 1901
Sophy born 1899 census of 1911

............................

cannot find a birth but census says she was born in Tipperary on census


Already mentioned by aghadowey at reply #15


Researching: Cuthbertson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Australia; Hunter – Co. Derry; Jackson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Canada; Scott – Co. Derry; Neilly – Co. Antrim & USA; McCurdy – Co. Antrim; Nixon – Co. Cavan, Co. Donegal, Canada & USA; Ryan & Noble – Co. Sligo

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Re: looking for information on Sophey [Sophie] gilbert bron 1899.
« Reply #51 on: Friday 02 May 25 01:36 BST (UK) »
Kiltaglassan and aghadowey, 

Thank you both for replies.
  First where I found this printed as set out above  minus the "////"  .....  it was through MyHeritage and a tree that is belonging to a relative of Thomas. Initially I was able to access the Family Search data Base that allows one to see their records for the chosen person.  It also allows one to add information or suggest alternative information with supporting source information.  So what I posted is what was on there. not MyHeritage

I  have not got back to that point since, but the information was added by someone with an account on there.  It's free. There is no way that the dates can be verified , unless you do bit of date matching, know Thomas's age at those dates etc.

For me they do relate but why were they posted as Census and not Residence.   I know that putting that up under Census is  silly to say the least.

The reason why they relate is because of a private family story which at this point in time is still a family hand-me-down story un-validated. 
Unfortunately those vanished Census Records would have helped  with that if they showed where Thomas was at a particular time and with whom.  :(   
Eventually Thomas moved to England and joined the Inland Revenue and worked with them all his life.

I have not tried to contact the person as there is so little information on there other than this list of dates and places he was. Not even his death information. 

Yes this is now touching on living people because it's their past.
 aghadowey. thanks for the pm offer.. will do .
Essnell

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Re: looking for information on Sophey [Sophie] gilbert bron 1899.
« Reply #52 on: Friday 02 May 25 23:50 BST (UK) »
Hi kiltaglassan,
 Thank you for the latest document re Wilfred.  Yes that would be Wilfred  from this family.  Wilfred had a son Fred... k  and I have corresponded with him for a number of years.   He has not replied to my messages for some time so it's possible he has passed on, same as his wife.  His children are in the USA. 
 So now we are at living people era. 

Thank you
Essnell.