looking for information on Sophey [Sophie] gilbert bron 1899.

[Essnell]

Hi Kiltaglassan , aghadowey,

those records are very interesting at least it shows what was what behind the main house.   It doesn't look like there was any other living area so one big farm house.. 

now i have this :  I have used on odd occasions this group irelandxo. I left a message to see if anyone knew anything about it on the Tipperary board.  A reply has this information.  Turret Farm House up for rent. There are 10 images of the building and rooms inside and a good description of what is there.  Of course the interior has been updated to match recent times but the basics are all still there.     I don't think the outbuildings go with the house but they might.
It is situated on the grounds of Blarney Castle and on that private road on the map.  Castle Estate Road. 

https://irelandxo.com/ireland-xo/message-board/turret-house-farm-ballygorhancork

https://tricket.ie/unique-and-impressive-detached-home_3200

the links are to the message board info and the Agent's page where you can see the house. 

It's lovely and very impressive.   

 many thanks to both of you on this search,
Essnell

[aghadowey]

Via Google I had come across those photos of Turret Farm House but didn't mention them since I believe this isn't the house you are looking for based on description from census records. To me this current dwelling looks like office housing that has been turned into dwellings.

From https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001899818/ there is a stable, coach house, cow house, calf house, dairy, piggery, fowl house, boiling house, barn, turf house, potato house, 3 sheds and laundry.

From https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001899816/ the dwelling house has 8 rooms with 7 windows in front.

From https://tricket.ie/unique-and-impressive-detached-home_3200 it seems there are now 2 semi-detached dwellings- one on left has too many windows and one on right too few. The interior of the building shows some old materials used but not really any old features. There is no main entrance as one would expect. In the first and third photos you can see a projection from the left side of the roof which is for the bell- which would have been used for the farm.

It may be that the Valuation Revision Books would throw some light on the matter.

[aghadowey]

The dwelling that's for sale can be identified here by the structure for the bell- the long building running north to south with the "bell tower" at the north end-

https://www.rootschat.com/links/01tr7/ 

The aerial view also shows what looks to be an old entrance from the west side curving in to the present dwelling. If that is the original entrance then it likely led up to the front of the house (possibly to the north-west of the "bell tower" (can't make out exactly what is there now) and then continued to the offices. Now, the entrance to the farmyard seems to be further along that road to where the new sheds have been built.

[Sinann]

In the newspapers several notices for planning permission
1995 slatted cattle building, slurry tank and silage pit
1998 new farm machinery shed
again 1998
upgrade existing stables, conversion of existing hay loft to living accommodation, new indoor swimming pool and new external tennis court
All these notices say Turret Farm. Turret House is never mentioned.

[Essnell]

Hi Everyone, 

I have been DNA mining!  Huge success.  I have just received a reply form one of those people re Sophie Glbert. 

The lady  has passed on a complete history of these people and they definitely lived at The Turret House on the farm on Blarney Estate. 
The fist occupant from this family was the Estate Manager and he is the gt grandparent of the DNA match.  She said that the house was a lovely house and the they visited her Grandparents there. 

She also said that her Gt Grandparent was responsible for managing the whole of the Blarney Castle Estate , one of the largest in Ireland.
So what we are seeing is probably the result of those up grades Sinann found.   The house is on Turret Farm a distance from the the Blarney Castle  site but on that estate.

I have also found a document stating that those Gt Grandparents were at Turret House. 
The DNA lady is Sophie's granddaughter. 

I will get back to her and ask her if she could describe the house a bit for us.   Hopefully ...yes.  and then send her a pic that we have that looks like the correct one.

It will be interesting to see what she says.   
Essnell

[Essnell]

Hi  everyone .. quick Question...... To whom do I apply for an Irish Dearth Certificate?   
I have one for Sarah Gilbert  found on the civil records search. The age and birth year match.  I would like to check it further as the rec only has year and place of death.  She died 1954 age 93 born 1861.  Never married. 

Still waiting to hear back from the DNA match lady. 

I now have another one to chase. 

Essnell

[mckha489]

You look at it here for free

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1954/04455/4166546.pdf

[Essnell]

Hi mckha489, 

Great !  Got a screen shot so all good there. Thank you for the link.   another one sorted.   
Essnell

[Essnell]

Hi Everyone,

I am hoping that one of you might be able to estimate or know what period of time The Townland Map I found via the link below would be?   

The link opens to show the Ballygrohan Townland in color like on a street map but if one looks to the left there is a layer stack and clicking that the map becomes a grey-scale  image of a much older map.

                https://arcg.is/1yDSuz2

This map shows the Turret Farm House quite clearly.  There are no recent additions so it's easily seen which would have been the main house first there back in the 1850's or earlier.   

It is definitely on the Blarney Castle Estate.

Thought that this might be of interest to everyone. 

Additional:  Re Florence Harriet Gilbert. .  the current information from the wedding of Emily Gilbert  - earlier posted - has her father as Charles George Gilbert.

I have found his marriage 2oth September 1904 and his father is stated as Mark Gilbert, Game Keeper .
Charles George Gilbert was married to Florence Annie Gladsy and her father George Edward Glasby was a Land Steward. 
It all makes sense.  I still need to get the birth for Florence Harriet but I think she is their daughter - so a cousin to Emily and Sophey and Sarah.

more if and when.....
Essnell.
Addit:   Florence born 1st July, Reg 8th July Leopardstown, Dublin.  Father George Gilbet, Mother Florence Annie .
Gladsby.

Essnell