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Illinois Mining Certificates 1927
« on: Sunday 06 April 25 23:38 BST (UK) »
Is anyone able to locate/search Illinois Mining Certificates for 1927?  I am researching a Henry Murphy, born November 4th, 1885 at Dalry, Ayrshire, Scotland. His State of Illinois Mining Certificate was dated 19 Oct 1927.
Sincerest thanks from Western Australia.
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32.04'.04"S 115.48'.30"E
Hamilton, Kennedy, Lovell, McCreadie, Murray, Workman - Ayrshire, Scotland
Lovell - Texas, USA
McCreadie - Dunedin, NZ
Boyle - Eire
McCreadie, Wills, Wyatt - Queensland
Tait/Tate - Toronto, Canada
Workman, McEwan - OFS, South Africa

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Re: Illinois Mining Certificates 1927
« Reply #1 on: Monday 07 April 25 00:33 BST (UK) »
Do you know where in Illinois he lived?  I don't know if this sort of thing exists online, so it may be something you'd have to check with a local archive about. 

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Re: Illinois Mining Certificates 1927
« Reply #2 on: Monday 07 April 25 01:08 BST (UK) »
Unfortunately, I do not know where he lived.
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32.04'.04"S 115.48'.30"E
Hamilton, Kennedy, Lovell, McCreadie, Murray, Workman - Ayrshire, Scotland
Lovell - Texas, USA
McCreadie - Dunedin, NZ
Boyle - Eire
McCreadie, Wills, Wyatt - Queensland
Tait/Tate - Toronto, Canada
Workman, McEwan - OFS, South Africa

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Re: Illinois Mining Certificates 1927
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 09 April 25 01:00 BST (UK) »
Could the certificate be a stock certificate and not a license to run a mine, as I first thought? If so, he could live anywhere.

There are 2 Henry Murphys born in Dalry in 1885. Mothers maiden names are O'Neil and Malloy. Is he one of them?
- from the ScotlandsPeople index.

If so, is he the Henry Murphy who goes back and forth to a cousin named Milloy in McDonald, Pennsylvania, and whose closest relative in Scotland is Mrs Margaret Murphy, 22 Manse Street, Salcoats. ?

here is an arrival in 1923
occ: motor driver, contact in US James Milloy, 114 Barr St, McDonald, Pa. contact in Scotland,  wife Mrs Margaret Murphy, 22 Manse St, Salcoats, Scotland. had been in US from 1907 to 1914 in McDonald, Pa, born in Dalry

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JNNR-2X3?lang=en


2 others from the well known paid site:
arrived 19 January 1925, the Tuscania
occ: a miner
contact: sister, Mrs Bridget Kennedy, McDonald Row, Dalry
contact in PA: Patrick Maloy, Barr St, McDonald, Pa.


scratched from the trip - would have arrived January 7, 1925 on the Columbia
a miner, no visa or destination person
contact in Scotland Mrs Margaret Murphy, 22 Manse Street, Salcoats

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all three manifests say this man was born in Dalry


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Re: Illinois Mining Certificates 1927
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 09 April 25 10:18 BST (UK) »
oldohiohome, many thanks for your most valuable input.
My Henry Murphy married one sister (Margaret) of my paternal grandmother's family.
Henry's contact for the Tuscania voyage was his sister "Mrs Bridget Kennedy, McDonald Row, Dalry".
My father's great-grandparents were James & Bridget (m.s. Quinn) Kennedy (b. 19 Feb 1867, Dalry).
Mrs Margaret Murphy, 22 Manse Street, Saltcoats [my home town] were Henry's wife and ultimately their family of five daughters.
Was it Henry Murphy or cousin James Malloy who had been in the U.S. during period 1907-1914 in McDonald, Pa?
Again, I am most appreciative of your efforts.
Sincerely
Jim
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32.04'.04"S 115.48'.30"E
Hamilton, Kennedy, Lovell, McCreadie, Murray, Workman - Ayrshire, Scotland
Lovell - Texas, USA
McCreadie - Dunedin, NZ
Boyle - Eire
McCreadie, Wills, Wyatt - Queensland
Tait/Tate - Toronto, Canada
Workman, McEwan - OFS, South Africa

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Re: Illinois Mining Certificates 1927
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 09 April 25 18:22 BST (UK) »
Was it Henry Murphy or cousin James Malloy who had been in the U.S. during period 1907-1914 in McDonald, Pa?
On an incoming US passenger manifest, that question refers to the person arriving, so in this case it refers to Henry himself. But I haven't found any earlier arrival than the one in 1923 on the SS Assyria.

Which he refers to when declaring his intention to become a US Citizen in Detroit, Michigan, in September 1925, but gets the year wrong.

Declaration of intention
certificate number 46829
Henry Thomas Murphy, 38, a machinist, 5 feet 9 inches, 190 pounds, dark complexion, black hair, grey eyes,
born in Dalry, Scotland, on 6 November 1887.
Now reside at 2109 Lillibridge Avenue, Detroit.
emigrated to the US from Glasgow on the SS Assyria. arrived at NY on or about 24 January 1922
last foreign residence: Scotland
married. wife: Margaret, born and now residing at Saltcoats, Scotland.
signed.
dated 26 June 1925

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:CL4D-6PMM?lang=en

I don't recall ever seeing an immigrant applying for citizenship citing anything but his earliest arrival in the US, but I might be wrong. So when he arrived, maybe he misunderstood the question and thought they were asking about his cousin James Molloy.

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here are links and full information for the 1925 attempt and 1925 arrival, found on familysearch, so you can view them if you want.

** scratched January 7, 1925 on the Columbia
SS Columbia, from Glasgow on 27 December 1924, would have arrived New York 7 January 1925
Henry Murphy, 40, married, a miner, British citizen, Irish nationality.
last residence Saltcoats, Scotland. nearest relative in Scotland: Mrs Margaret Murphy, 22 Manse St, Saltcoats, Scotland
destination: McDonald, Pa
had been in the US before, but no years mentioned
description: 5 feet 9 inches dark complexion, dark hair, brown eyes, born in Dalry
no visa or destination person

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KXMG-P4X?lang=en

** arrived 19 January 1925, the Tuscania
SS Tuscania, from Glasgow on 9 January 1925, arrived New York 19 January 1925
Henry Murphy, 40, married, a miner, British citizen, Scottish nationality
contact: sister, Mrs Bridget Kennedy, McDonald Row, Dalry
had been in the US from 1922 to 1924, in McDonald, Pa
destination: cousin, Patrick Maloy, Barr St, McDonald, Pa
description: 5 feet 9 inches dark complexion, black hair, black eyes, born in Dalry

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KXMP-4ZH?lang=en

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There is this James Malloy close to McDonald PA, and working as a miner, but I wouldn't bet the house on this being Henry's cousin. I didn't find anything else for him and nothing at all for a Patrick Malloy, but I didn't spend a lot of time on it.

James Malloy, Baldwin Township, Allegheny County, PA 1920 Census
 age 60, head, single, arrived in US 1889, born in Scotland, parents in Ireland, a coal miner
no one else in the household

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M6BD-LVY?lang=en

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And I see by your previous post that Henry and family ended up in NZ. Here is the exact burial plot information for him and his wife, in case anyone is looking for it. I don't know what the abbreviations stand for.

'New' Orowaiti Cemetery, Westport
Section F1: Block 16
Number 1382, Row 4, Plot 1142
ILMO
Henry bho Margaret Murphy died 24 August 1954 aged 69 years
Also hbw Margaret died 4 February 1973 aged 88 yrs. RIP

and findagrave agrees, but without the details:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/166426475/henry-murphy
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/166426479/margaret-mcvig-murphy

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Re: Illinois Mining Certificates 1927
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 09 April 25 18:55 BST (UK) »
Outstanding research received with many many thanks.
Abbreviations:
ILMO = In Loving Memory Of
BHO = Beloved Husband Of
HBW = His Beloved Wife

Again, many thanks.
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32.04'.04"S 115.48'.30"E
Hamilton, Kennedy, Lovell, McCreadie, Murray, Workman - Ayrshire, Scotland
Lovell - Texas, USA
McCreadie - Dunedin, NZ
Boyle - Eire
McCreadie, Wills, Wyatt - Queensland
Tait/Tate - Toronto, Canada
Workman, McEwan - OFS, South Africa

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Re: Illinois Mining Certificates 1927
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 10 April 25 17:11 BST (UK) »
Was Henry in Scotland for the 1911 census?  That might clear up whether or not he was in the US from 1907-1914. 

Also, with the reported leaving in 1914, he (or the cousin) might have gone back to fight in WWI.  I've also seen Scottish men who were in the US and went to Canada to join the military because Canada got involved in WWI before the US did.