Ann Manning: probable coincidence, but who knows?

[LizzieL]

Yes Thomas is there
born 23 Nov 1821,
Baptism date 25 Dec 1821
Peter and Ellen nee Creeden

modified, just checked image, father recorded as Patrick

sponsors William Cashman and Hannah Creeden

[rosie99]

There was a Peter Manning who died at the age of 80 in March 1846 of "natural decay". His wife was named Sarah, so if it's him then Eleanor is probably dead and he's remarried. Divorce was apparently really rare back then and cost a lot. The only plausible record of a Peter Manning in the area with a wife named Sarah is a marriage record between Peter Manning and Sarah Sherricks in Whitechapel in 1843 except that the Sarah Sherricks in Whitechapel in the 1841 census would be ~23 years old and he'd be 77. Not likely.


That marriage in 1843 was between Peter Manning and Ann Pitcher.  Sarah Sherricks married John Dunnage

[rosie99]

I don't know anything about Eleanor. A sponsor at Honora's baptism was "Honor Creedon", which should be a clue. There was an Eleanor Manning who died in Walworth, Southwark in July 1843 but her record of death doesn't mention her marital status and the death was witnessed by "Mary Ann Cambridge", not a husband. The record does not say that "Mary Ann Cambridge" is her daughter, which would blow up all my theories, but it's a possibility. This Eleanor was 52 when she died, so born ca. 1791, which would make her 23, 24 and 27 when she had Ann/Mary-Ann, Honora and Elizabeth. If they are indeed her kids.

Does it give an address for Mary Ann Cambridge

[LizzieL]

Yes Thomas is there
born 23 Nov 1821,
Baptism date 25 Dec 1821
Peter and Ellen nee Creeden

modified, just checked image, father recorded as Patrick

sponsors William Cashman and Hannah Creeden

Honora Creedon married William Cashman in 1820 at camberwell. Just a transcript on FindMyPast, no marriage date given only year

[LizzieL]

Yes Thomas is there
born 23 Nov 1821,
Baptism date 25 Dec 1821
Peter and Ellen nee Creeden

modified, just checked image, father recorded as Patrick

sponsors William Cashman and Hannah Creeden

Honora Creedon married William Cashman in 1820 at camberwell. Just a transcript on FindMyPast, no marriage date given only year

Found image on Ancestry, Peter Manning was a witness

[Bosconermal]

Wow, thank you everyone!

1) I have Sarah Sherricks as the wife of Peter Manning in my notes but remember having a problem with that apart from the age gap. I'll look at that one again. Of course, I don't know if this Peter is my Peter. I don't remember having come across the Peter Manning who died in 1835.

2) Wivenhoe: thanks for the 1851 list, which I did have. Reuben and Ann had two more children after that: Caroline (1852-1854), who died of cholera and was included in John Snow's study; and Harriett (1856-1934) who emigrated to Canada and was my ggmother.

The rest I haven't had a chance to absorb and won't until a little later. I'll get back to you if only to say thank you again.

[jonwarrn]

1872 death record

Is this her burial at the City of London Cemetery?
18 Aug 1872
Ann Rush
43 Gidling Street Dockhead
Age 55 years
https://col-burialregisters.uk/archive/burial-registers-january-1870-to-december-1879/register-021/1070351

[Bosconermal]

It is! I didn't have that. I have her death of tetanus on 13 Aug. but not her burial. This is a score! Thank you so much.

[Bosconermal]

Mary Ann Cambridge
Present at the Death
14 Mason Street
Old Kent Road