name BILBRINE

[rosie17]

1871 census Glamorgan Jane Massey birth place is Perthshire Scotland

Ah, so that's where Perthshire comes into it.

Yes it appears to be 

Rosie

[hanes teulu]

When checking the 1871 Census for the Masseys made a file note to alert you to John Massey's location in Swansea but zee leetle grey cells failed (yet again) so playing catch up.

On the Census the households run " ...Killay, Gaytre (s/be Goitre - John Massey), Gaytre (s/be Goitre), Gellidomill (s/be Gelli Dywyll) Farm Sketty, Sketty, Olchfa, Yscuborucha (s/be Ysguboruchaf) Farm ...".

On this 1878 map you can see Goitre Bellaf, Goitre Fawr and Goitre Fâch and the others. The Census doesn't distinguish 'twixt the three so cannot positively identify John's holding. If pressed might plump for Goitre Fâch.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/102342502#zoom=6.1&lat=6190&lon=9377&layers=BT

Below Goitre Fâch you can see "Black Boy (P.H)" - my local 40 yrs ago.     

[lnr]

Thankyou very much to all who contributed to this forum and certainly gave much food for thought lnr

[lnr]

Hi yesterday i found scotlands people under BALBIRNIE Birth: Mary Anne- Peter BALBIRNIE/Ann MACFARLANE 27/?/1835  PERTH Natural daught to Peter BALBIRNIE manager of spinning mill& Ann MACFARLANE resident of Blackfriars  & baptised 27th day of Sept. Could this be a sister to Jane as she said her father was Peter and a miller I cant find a marriage for Peter & Ann or deaths for them either thanks lnr

[mckha489]

Natural daughter means she was illegitimate (as I understand it)

On the NZ death certificate printout for Jane/Jean, her mother should be named if the family knew it.

[Forfarian]

Natural daughter means she was illegitimate (as I understand it)

Yes.