Handwriting help - Birth place

[PatLac]

You're welcome and good luck!

[jimbo50]

how exciting ! Well done PatLac.

[PatLac]

Thanks jimbo50, glad to help.

I wonder if the mother's name is of any interest? Her name appears as Jette Samuel, but the last birth record for Jette Löwenthal (1820) shows mother's name Jette Samuel Marcus.

[JLo]

The mother's name is what piqued my interest - 'My' Morris Lowenthal has also been known as Marcus Samuel Lowenthal at some points. I have always thought that that was his actual official name.

I have had a busy few hours studying German documents (with the help of Google Translate as sadly my German is non-existent), I may be on a wild goose chase but I haven't lost hope! This is what I have so far:

In 1821 in Friesack there is Liebmann Abraham Lowenthal b 15/5/1781 (possibly in Syndow) with his wife Jette Samuel Marcus b 10/04/1784. They married on 24 Feb 1813
Their children are:
Rickel/Rieckel (female) b 21/08/1811
Hanne/Hanehin  (female) b 12/08/1813
Abraham b 17/08/1816
Amalie/Amalia  (female) b 18/08/1818
Jette  (female)  b 14/03/1820

They were described as "Mosaic Jews"
In 1834 they are listed as a family of 7 with Liebmann listed as the head of household. He is described as poor and being supported by his relatives and the Jewish community.

The fact that there are 7 of them could mean that they had no more children after 1820 or it could be that some of the older ones have left home... (obviously I'm hoping the latter!!) 'My' Morris was born circa 1831 which would make Jette (the possible mother) in her late 40s. Hmmm...

My brain is now addled from looking at lots of German. I will follow up on the newspaper article on A E Lowenthal and The Leatheries tomorrow to try things from a different angle. That is definitely on safer ground, as I know they are 'mine' and it is all in English!

Thanks again for your help PatLac

[PatLac]

Thanks for sharing your findings, really interesting!

His death certificate has name Marcus Samuel Loewenthal, so it makes sense that this was his 'official' name. It's certainly an amazing coincidence if this is not his family.

There's a possible husband for Amalia Löwenthal, Nathan Grünsberg. One of their sons could have been Max who emigrated to the US as Max Greensberg.

"New York, New York City Marriage Records, 1829-1938"

Name   Max Greenberg
Sex   Male
Age   28 years
Birth Year (Estimated)   1850
Father's Name   Nathan
Father's Sex   Male
Mother's Name   Amalia Lowenthal
Mother's Sex   Female
Spouse's Name   Debora Katz
Spouse's Sex   Female
Spouse's Age   21 years
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated)   1857
Spouse's Father's Name   Aaron
Spouse's Father's Sex   Male
Spouse's Mother's Name   Sarah Schuff
Event Type   Marriage
Event Date   10 November 1878
Event Place   Manhattan, New York City, New York, United States
Source Details   109