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Re: Handwriting help - Birth place
« Reply #9 on: Friday 28 March 25 03:21 GMT (UK) »
Linash seems to get some connection with Russia. I don't know why though  :)
I'd have said Flinash but what is the scroll like a bracket before the f ?
I think his wife is 'Manchester'
Visitor possibly Liverpool
I suspect the letter at start is an S with some of it too faint or missing....Guess...Shi(e)rashovo
Look at the S's beginning the occupations.
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In 19th-century Russia, the term "Shirash" likely refers to the Circassian genocide, a period of forced displacement and ethnic cleansing of Circassians and other groups from the North Caucasus, resulting in mass emigration to the Ottoman Empire.

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Re: Handwriting help - Birth place
« Reply #10 on: Friday 28 March 25 05:19 GMT (UK) »
On second thought, I think it's Prussia. Look at his P on Morris's occupaton  - Pocket Book Maker - and that would be Prussia Berlin, there's definitely an "i" in the second word.
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Re: Handwriting help - Birth place
« Reply #11 on: Friday 28 March 25 08:33 GMT (UK) »
Do you  have his 1860 marriage record which should name his father. Remember that Morris could lso be Moritz or Moishe.

I do have marriage records. On his English marriage certificate his fathers name is Lisseman/Lifeman/Lipman (deceased). On his ketubbah (Jewish certificate) his father's Jewish name is Eliezer. His ketubbah also says he has no brothers.

His name has many variations! Marcus Samuel/Maurice/Morris/Morice or Moses and his Jewish name is Mordechai.
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Marshall, Beeson (Herts)
Lo(e)wenthal,Kavanagh, Maxam (London, Birmingham)
Harrisson, Matthews (London, Essex)
Poulton, Philbrick (Essex)
Guest, Timmins (Staffs)
Raynes/Ryall (Ireland, Birmingham)
White (Bucks)
Gunn (Scotland, Lancs, Essex)
Ison (Tamworth, Birmingham, USA, Canada)

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Re: Handwriting help - Birth place
« Reply #12 on: Friday 28 March 25 08:35 GMT (UK) »
Linash seems to get some connection with Russia. I don't know why though  :)
I'd have said Flinash but what is the scroll like a bracket before the f ?
I think his wife is 'Manchester'
Visitor possibly Liverpool
I suspect the letter at start is an S with some of it too faint or missing....Guess...Shi(e)rashovo
Look at the S's beginning the occupations.
This is an AI overview. I don't normally like these. Do you think it's right ?
In 19th-century Russia, the term "Shirash" likely refers to the Circassian genocide, a period of forced displacement and ethnic cleansing of Circassians and other groups from the North Caucasus, resulting in mass emigration to the Ottoman Empire.

That's an interesting thought, particularly as he was Jewish.
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Marshall, Beeson (Herts)
Lo(e)wenthal,Kavanagh, Maxam (London, Birmingham)
Harrisson, Matthews (London, Essex)
Poulton, Philbrick (Essex)
Guest, Timmins (Staffs)
Raynes/Ryall (Ireland, Birmingham)
White (Bucks)
Gunn (Scotland, Lancs, Essex)
Ison (Tamworth, Birmingham, USA, Canada)


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Re: Handwriting help - Birth place
« Reply #13 on: Friday 28 March 25 09:27 GMT (UK) »
Not that it helps, but I think the unknown word begins with T. Compare it with the flourish on Thomas Eames near the bottom of the page.

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Re: Handwriting help - Birth place
« Reply #14 on: Friday 28 March 25 10:54 GMT (UK) »
<<Not that it helps, but I think the unknown word begins with T. Compare it with the flourish on Thomas Eames near the bottom of the page.>>

I would agree that the letter at the start of the town/province is a T - identical to the T of Thomas - I searched for ages for a comparison but didn't spot that !
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Re: Handwriting help - Birth place
« Reply #15 on: Friday 28 March 25 11:16 GMT (UK) »
Not that it helps, but I think the unknown word begins with T. Compare it with the flourish on Thomas Eames near the bottom of the page.

But the person with the surname Eames at the bottom of the page is female. Looking at the 1851 census for the same family her name is Frances.
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Re: Handwriting help - Birth place
« Reply #16 on: Friday 28 March 25 11:42 GMT (UK) »
<<But the person with the surname Eames at the bottom of the page is female. Looking at the 1851 census for the same family her name is Frances.>>

Oh dear, more haste, less speed, sorry... I saw Frances at first but then decided the 'Daur' wasn't the same as the ones above...I see now there is a a very faint curve to the D - and it doesn't look much like Son written way above.

So the initial letter of the unknown word is probably F.
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Re: Handwriting help - Birth place
« Reply #17 on: Friday 28 March 25 11:43 GMT (UK) »
Thanks JenB, I was desperately trying to come up with a place in Somerset beginning with a T to match the birthplace of the lady next door to the subject (Maria Pritchett?), but F would make it Frome, so I’m convinced that the letter with the flourish is indeed an F.

What terrible handwriting it is (although I’ve seen worse in census returns).
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