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Offline JLo

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Handwriting help - Birth place
« on: Thursday 27 March 25 15:38 GMT (UK) »
I think I have asked this before (many years ago) but have made very little progress since, so thought I'd give it another go! I am trying to decipher the birthplace of the fifth line down - Morris Loewenthal. On the 1871 census, his birth place is given as Prussia Berlin, but this definitely says something else, and I can't work out what. I can't even decide if the first word says Russia or Prussia!
Unfortunately, he died in 1880, and there is no sign of him in 1851, so these are the only two censuses I have. New inspiration is needed for this very solid brick wall.
Thanks x
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Marshall, Beeson (Herts)
Lo(e)wenthal,Kavanagh, Maxam (London, Birmingham)
Harrisson, Matthews (London, Essex)
Poulton, Philbrick (Essex)
Guest, Timmins (Staffs)
Raynes/Ryall (Ireland, Birmingham)
White (Bucks)
Gunn (Scotland, Lancs, Essex)
Ison (Tamworth, Birmingham, USA, Canada)

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Re: Handwriting help - Birth place
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 27 March 25 18:12 GMT (UK) »
I'd say it's definitely Russia (compare the first letter with the name of the street, Ryden, especially n° 10), but can't be much help with the name of the town/province or whatever it is.
Many entries gives the county then a town, but I know nothing much about Russia in the nineteenth century I'm afraid.
Somerset: Poole, Hutchings/Hutchin(s), Harvey/Harvie, Bullen
                Nation, Yeandle, Shattock

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Re: Handwriting help - Birth place
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 27 March 25 18:50 GMT (UK) »
First thought was Russia also. 

Any idea when he came to this country?
Hinchliffe - Huddersfield Wiltshire
Burroughs - Arlingham Glos
Pick - Frocester Glos

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Re: Handwriting help - Birth place
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 27 March 25 19:18 GMT (UK) »
First thought was Russia also. 

Any idea when he came to this country?

All I know is that he was here by 1860. He was married in the synagogue in London in November 1860. I have a possible immigration record in April 1859, but can't be sure it is him.
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Marshall, Beeson (Herts)
Lo(e)wenthal,Kavanagh, Maxam (London, Birmingham)
Harrisson, Matthews (London, Essex)
Poulton, Philbrick (Essex)
Guest, Timmins (Staffs)
Raynes/Ryall (Ireland, Birmingham)
White (Bucks)
Gunn (Scotland, Lancs, Essex)
Ison (Tamworth, Birmingham, USA, Canada)


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Re: Handwriting help - Birth place
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 27 March 25 21:06 GMT (UK) »
Where did the person on the immigration record come from?

Was his wife Russian also or English?
Hinchliffe - Huddersfield Wiltshire
Burroughs - Arlingham Glos
Pick - Frocester Glos

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Re: Handwriting help - Birth place
« Reply #5 on: Friday 28 March 25 00:54 GMT (UK) »
Linash seems to get some connection with Russia. I don't know why though  :)
I'd have said Flinash but what is the scroll like a bracket before the f ?
I think his wife is 'Manchester'
Visitor possibly Liverpool

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Re: Handwriting help - Birth place
« Reply #6 on: Friday 28 March 25 01:14 GMT (UK) »
Do you  have his 1860 marriage record which should name his father. Remember that Morris could lso be Moritz or Moishe.

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Re: Handwriting help - Birth place
« Reply #7 on: Friday 28 March 25 02:10 GMT (UK) »
Could it be Russia Environs, as in 1831 Russia was known as Russian Empire or Imperial Russia?

Or Prussia Kingdom?
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« Reply #8 on: Friday 28 March 25 02:13 GMT (UK) »
Do you  have his 1860 marriage record which should name his father. Remember that Morris could lso be Moritz or Moishe.

A family tree on Ancestry says Maurice Samuel Loewenthal.
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