Y-DNA question

[mcmp]

Hello
I have little experience with DNA testing, and would appreciate an experienced opinion.
I had an autosomal DNA test by Living DNA which provided me with haplogroup &  haplotype.  Not sure how many markers they use, but I think not many.  No names came up the same as mine, which was expected, but I do have sufficient documentation back to mid 1300s, but there is a gap at that point where I am unable to connect by documentation to earlier lines.
I want to proceed further with a Y-DNA test in an attempt to partly verify my “theoretical” genetics back to aprox 1100.
Which test would be the most suitable – will 111 markers be sufficient for that time range, or must I go for the Y-700?
Reading the many articles on the internet is somewhat confusing for an "amateur"!  Any ideas?

[Biggles50]

Yes, it should give what you seek if you take there 111 test.

That said it will only give a generic result like R-M269 which is Europe!

For a more detailed result the 111 can be upgraded to the 700 by paying another fee, no additional test is required.

At least this is what the website said when I took my 111 which gave me the above haplogroup.

[mcmp]

Thanks for that,
I already have my Haplotype (I-DF29).
Are you saying that the Y-111 will not give me anything more than that?  In which case I would need a Y-700 test.  Have I got that right?

[Biggles50]

If you google your haplogroup in the results is ftDNA’s webpage detailing your group, it is easier to Google rather than find the page on the ftDNA website.

As you will see it is very generic and does cover the timeframes that you seek.

The 700 test as well as providing (hopefully) more direct male ancestors via matches, it will delve deeper into a refined branch of your haplogroup.

[mcmp]

Thanks again 

[rsel]

Hi,
    Which version of the test you go for really depends on what you want to really get from the results. The Y111 is a good starter position, and like biggles says you can upgrade later, but you are unlikey to get many usable matches from it to confirm your line with named people.  the BigY test can give a lot more recent branches, from which if you are lucky you could contain matches which your could match to an actual MRCA.
    Now looking at your living DNA halopgroup, ftDNA is showing that formed around 2600 BCE and they have results from around 60k testers spread over 11 sub-branches. I would suspect that a Y111 test would give you a more modern result than that, and put you at least into one of those 11, if not a sub-branch of one. I would suggest doing that, and then seeing how many matches you get and if any of then have gone to BigY that could bring you into a more recent time range if you upgraded. The Y-dna test though is still really a waiting game and down to luck on if you get good matches

Personally i did upgrade to Big-Y, but my group is estimated to have split off between 1360 & 1860, with the most likly time range aournd 15-1600, so i have not yet been able to get close to an matches for named people :-(

Richard

[corinne]

I agree that Y-111 will be a good start, but this can be upgraded later to BigY700 usually without having to submit further sample.  If you do go to BigY, it would also be useful to get a second known relative test.   The reason being that a single test won't be likely to name and identify anything up to a dozen or so of the most recent SNP mutations (it will just list them as "private variants"), so you need to have a second tester who is likely to share all or most of those most recent mutations in order to get your full genetic "signature" onto the Y-haplotree.    That will then mean that in future when other people who match you within a genealogically useful timeframe (i.e. within a surname use timeframe) it will be a lot easier to calculate when your likely common ancestor lived.  Ideally your initial BigY testing strategy would include yourself, the closest known relative (son, father, brother), and the most distant known relative (to give you a known dating point several generations back for your common ancestor) and you would either all joint (or start) a surname project so these tests (and anyone else who joins with the same surname) could be analysed easier side by side.