Horace (Lawrence?) Gordon KILMISTER

[PatLac]

The Will of Ernest Henry KILMISTER - was dated 20 June 1951.

https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE63843077

In referring to his five children, four are mentioned with having second christian names ...
the other is simply named as "Gordon".   

   ~  Lu

Yes, and that's the same name that appears on Martha Leila's death inquest. Husband: Gordon Kilmister.

She died at Kingseat Hospital as I suspected. The only new info is that she had another daughter with Gordon, Huiawarua Leila May Kilmister, who married John Selby Howell. She was born in 17 Feb 1935 and died in 1996. So Martha Leila was already pregnant when she married Gordon. She had been at the hospital for only 3 months though, so maybe Raewyn was also her daughter.

I think Lawrence and Horace Gordon Kilmister are one and the same person. I suppose this sort of thing was very common back then.

[Margaret Hansen]

So... are Horace Gordon and Lawrence Gordon KILMISTER one and the same person?

From his niece she only knew him as Gordon.  Seems a few of the Kilmisters added another name to what is on BDMS:

Raewyn Elsie Kilmister married a Bruton.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/122752976/edit   

If Audrey Fay was known as Fay this could be her marriage in Queensland:
Fay Kilminster
Event date: 03/05/1947
Event type: Marriage registration
Registration details: 1947/B/12479
Spouse: Arthur Joseph Smith


audrey Fay is daughter of Albert Edward Kilmister & Rangipaura [Martha Leila] Watene/Kilmister . There wer 2 children in this marriage.Hinemanu Myrtle Martha Kilmister
B:17 Aug 1925 NZ

D:14 Mar 1943 Whakatane area, New Zealand   was the other one.

Martha & Albert divorced & she married his half brother Gordon.   so Gordon was Fays niece & step father.
As they had the same surname, in later years so far I have found out that they appeared to live as what some of the family thought as a married couple.   Fay moved to Queensland either pregnant or with a baby. Which would have been Raewyn Kilmister.

It may be a good while before my 3rd cousin & sons MILaw is able to obtain the hard copy good research he sister had done, that her niece is supposedly holding. her grandma was Mabel 'Ruby' Kilmister who never gave anything away.      More recently it has been found out that Ruby had a baby before she married Hugh McIlroy. It was a girl she named Dorothy.  I think she recently passed in Aus & had dementia. Dont know her adopted name.  Trying to find out what  area of NZ she was born in so I can plough through the birth fiche for that area & time.  Hugh was a bit cross as he would have welcomed her with open arms into the family.

[PatLac]

Hi Margaret,

According to this newspaper:

WAIKATO TIMES, VOLUME 117, ISSUE
19514, 1 MARCH 1935, PAGE 7

DIVORCE DAY
UNDEFENDENT PETITTIONS
FOUR UNFAITHFUL WIFES
SEVERAL DECREES MADE

Signed admissions of misconduct between the wife and another man were produced when Albert Edward Ernest Kilmister (Mr. J. F. Strang) petitioned for divorce from his wife, Martha Lela [sic] Kilmister.
Petitioner said the parties were married in November 1924, and there were two children. In 1934, he suspected that his wife was involved in intimate relations with Gordon Kilmister, his half-brother. In September his wife admtted misconduct with the co-respondent and she was living with him at present.
The petition was granted.

I know that one of the children was Hinemanu Myrtle Martha Kilsmister. I was thinking that the second child could be the daughter mentioned in the coroner's inquest files on Martha Leila's death, but then I thought that she would most likely be Gordon's daughter.

Are you saying that Gordon married his half-brother's wife (Martha Leila) and after her death he married (lived with) their daughter (Audrey Fay)? Coudl he be just trying to help her?

The plot thickens!

P.S.  This Dorothy shows up when you search for Dorothy KILMISTER (death), but I suppose her DOB doesn't fit?


Registration Number   Family Name    Given Name(s)   Date of Birth/
   
2023/31541            Stevens           Dorothy Elise   3 February 1935

Just noticed that she died in Australia...

[Lucy2]

Are you saying that Gordon married his half-brother's wife (Martha Leila) and after her death he married (lived with) their daughter (Audrey Fay)? Coudl he be just trying to help her?

NZ Marriage - NZBDM

1936/5504 - KILMISTER - Martha Lela --- KILMISTER- Lawrence Gordon

also - source:  NZDG Marriages CD

Year:  1936   [ Folio 05337 ]
KILMISTER - Lawrence Gordon
*KILMISTER - Martha Lela
*WATENE - Martha Lela

-- spelling of second christian name is "Lela" on both of these records.

[*  Note:   at NZSG source, a women's former married name is also included in the index.]

      ~   Lu

[Lucy2]

Are you saying that Gordon married his half-brother's wife (Martha Leila) and after her death he married (lived with) their daughter (Audrey Fay)? Coudl he be just trying to help her?

Appearing as "Horace Gordon KILMISTER" in his will dated  6 July 1987 --           
he refers to Audrey Fay KILMISTER, as "his wife".

https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE41119971

    ~   Lu

[PatLac]

Hi Lu,

I was aware of that part of the plot  What I didn't know was that Gordon married or lived with his niece Audrey Fay!

I thought she was just another wife, not his half brother's daughter!

[Lucy2]

Hi Lu,

I was aware of that part of the plot  What I didn't know was that Gordon married or lived with his niece Audrey Fay!

I thought she was just another wife, not his half brother's daughter!

   ... oops, I must have misunderstood your comment.

I added the link to the will of Horace Gordon KILMISTER because it contains "evidence" that he thought of Audrey Fay KILMISTER, as his wife.

   ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

I didn't mention it earlier - because I assumed you would already have checked - but Audrey Fay KILMISTER appears on NZ Electoral rolls from 1966 (Auckland - Waitakere Roll) :

1966 - Waitakere
KILMISTER - Audrey Fay - housewife
KILMISTER - Horace Gordon - dealer  -- both residing at Knox Road, Swanson

   ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

Hi PatLac

... just adding re: Audrey Fay* KILMISTER (also spelled as "Faye"), I'd searched (NZ) electoral rolls earlier to see if I could spot her under another surname (whilst trying to ascertain when she may have married "Gordon"...  all to no avail.   
1966 seems to be the earliest ... although of course she could have been in NZ well before that date.      She was also perfectly entitled to use any surname (in fact any names) when registering to enrol for voting (so long as those were names she was commonly known by.)

If the earlier wife Martha died in 1965 then 1966 seems a timely date to move in with "Gordon". 

   ~  Lu