Finding correct birth and family of Sarah Phillips

[deetur]

*edited to hopefully read better

Hi all,

I've recently discovered who my 2 x great  grandfather was through the process of elimination of my DNA results (George Harold Warner).

Having purchased George's birth certificate (digitally) I'm now looking at his parents. His mother is listed as Sarah Warner (formerly Phillips). Father Robert Warner, a Butler.

She was apparently born abt 1851 in Blaenavon, Monmouthshire.

I have located Sarah in the right location for George's birth in 1881 which was Kingston Upon Thames. She was a cook working away from home.

George appears to have been baptised back in Monmouthshire.

In 1891 I have found Sarah in Penrhys, Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales (Tylorstown with Ferndale). George is with her and she appears to be married to Thomas Powell and has had additional children.

In 1901 she is in Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales (Ferndale Christchurch) again with her Powell children and George (also listed as Powell but this is an error).

In 1911 she is at 26 Fountain Street Ferndale, Pontypridd with the youngest son.

In 1921 she is at 26 Fountain St, Ferndale listed as staying with her daughter Sarah Ann Pain (nee Powell).

I'm trying to locate the correct birth for her and then find her in the 1851 (depending on when born), 1861 and 1871 census. This way I'll be able to learn more about her family.

Is anyone able to help or make suggestions on how I discover which Sarah Phillips is the one I'm looking for please. I'd be ever so grateful of any help or suggestions.

Many thanks in advance.

[CaroleW]

Rather confusing to read/understand

You say his Fathers name was never added to your g/gf birth cert & his mother was only 16

G/gfather was b Kingston on Thames 1881 - so mother was born approx 1865 Blaenavon

You say you have purchased "his birth cert" & his parents were Robert Warner & Sarah nee Phillips

Who's birth cert as you say above there was no fathers name on your g/gf birth cert?  Do you mean the DNA father of your great g/f was Robert Warner & his parents were Robert & Sarah?

There is no marriage for a Robert Warner & Sarah Phillips & if Sarah Phillips was only born 1851 how can she be old enough to be the mother of a son fathering a child in 1881 to a girl b 1865?

[deetur]

Hi, my apologies that you found my post confusing, I've edited the wording to hopefully make more sense.

The first birth certificate I mention is that of my great grandfather (James). I never knew who his father was until I recently discovered this via DNA. His father was George Harold Warner. It was George's name that was omitted from the birth certificate.

It is George's parents Sarah and Robert that I'm looking into. Sarah was born abt 1851 in Monmouthshire.

I took could not find a marriage and therefore do not believe she married Robert Warner and that she lied on the birth certificate of George that she was married. I also cannot find a marriage between her and Thomas Powell.

There are numerous Sarah Phillips in the Monmouth area which is why I'm looking for some advice as to the best way to find out which birth and therefore family is hers.

Many thanks 🙏🏻

[Milliepede]

How do you know the father was George Harold Warner if he wasn’t on the birth certificate? 

Do all the Powell children’s births have mothers maiden name as Phillips?

Is Sarah down as married or single in the 1881 census you have for her?

[deetur]

I have come to the conclusion that he is the father through looking through both my mum's and my DNA matches and through a process of elimination working out that one close match in particular doesn't fit into any other line ... Then working through the relationships of that person and finding a male of the assumed correct age in the right area.

Then pulling together a tree using those names and working out other members of this tree. Then speaking with people from that area (as I obviously have relatives there from the mother's line in my tree) and then discovering more of my DNA matches match the names in that family.

[deetur]

Do all the Powell children’s births have mothers maiden name as Phillips?

Is Sarah down as married or single in the 1881 census you have for her?

I will check the Powell children's births to confirm name was also Phillips.

In 1881 Sarah in unmarried, age 30.

[CaroleW]

George Harold Warner was b 1881 Kingston upon Thames - mmn Phillips

Was James Henry Mason b Oswestry 1903?

You say "Sarah" was b 1851 Blaenavon & has George living with her in 1891 but she is now married to a Thomas Powell.

If she was married to Warner - she would have remarried as Warner.  There is no Warner/Phillips marriage & no Thomas Powell marriage to either a Sarah Phillips or Warner

The 2 younger children on the 1891 entry do show mmn as Phillips

[CaroleW]

In 1911 George Harold Warner is married but has a Joseph Phillips aged 25 b Mardy plus Joseph's wife living with him.

1891 shows Joseph as the son of Thomas & Naomi

[deetur]

George Harold Warner was b 1881 Kingston upon Thames - mmn Phillips

Was James Henry Mason b Oswestry 1903?

You say "Sarah" was b 1851 Blaenavon & has George living with her in 1891 but she is now married to a Thomas Powell.

If she was married to Warner - she would have remarried as Warner.  There is no Warner/Phillips marriage & no Thomas Powell marriage to either a Sarah Phillips or Warner

The 2 younger children on the 1891 entry do show mmn as Phillips

James Henry Mason was born 1899 in Ferndale to Ellen Mason (Nellie).

I have been unable to locate a marriage for either Warner or Powell also.

Thank you for confirming the two younger Powell children also have Sarah Phillips as their mother.