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Elizabeth Harcourt, daughter of Sir Robert Harcourt
« on: Sunday 23 March 25 18:26 GMT (UK) »
Hello everyone.
I'm doing genealogical research about my English branch of the family.
I'm quite curious about the identity of a girl that appears on my family tree, and unfortunately, I don't know much about her:

Things I'm sure about her:

Her name was Elizabeth Harcourt, she was the daughter of Sir Robert Harcourt.
She married John Bracebridge (died 23.03.1515).
They had a son called Simon Bracebridge.
Next to John's name a banner says "generation omitted by Commoners" What does this mean?.

Things I suspect, but I'm not quite sure about her:

I think she was born in  1448, at Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, England.
Apparently, she died in 1475, at Kingsbury, Warwickshire, England.
Her father was born in 1410 and died in 1470.

I would really like to know who her mother was.
Some sources say her mother was Margaret Byron, and there is one source that mentions "Isabel Balderston". Who was the real mother of Elizabeth Harcourt? I think her father, Sir Robert Harcourt, married several times... that's why I don't know for sure who was Elizabeth's mother.

I'm really keen on verifying if her mother was Margaret Byron, because if this is true, it means, I can be faraway related to Lord Byron's (the poet) family.

Can this be possible?

Thank you very much in advance, for anything you can find out. You are a great community, and I admire you very much.

Have a good Sunday!  :)

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Re: Elizabeth Harcourt, daughter of Sir Robert Harcourt
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 23 March 25 19:59 GMT (UK) »
Sir Robert Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt, Companion of the Garter, slain 14 Nov, 10 Edw IV (c. 1471)

Arthur Collins in his 1756 "Peerage of England; ...",names 3 wives - Margaret Byron, Anne Morris and Agnes Lymerick.
He mentions 4 daughters of Agnes - Elizabeth, 3rd wife of George Gaynesford, Letitia wife of Humphrey Peshall and Thomas Nevill, Eleanor wife of Richard Bekingham and a 4th, no given name, wife of William Cope.

Else only sons mentioned. 

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Re: Elizabeth Harcourt, daughter of Sir Robert Harcourt
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 25 March 25 14:11 GMT (UK) »
Thank you very much for your answer.

It's interesting because, as you mention, Sir Robert Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt, was married several times. He had a daughter called Elizabeth, who was the 3rd wife of George Gaynesford. But she is not "the" Elizabeth (1448-1475), as I know the one who married John Bracebridge (1444 - 1516). The mother of Simon Bracebridge (1475 - 1515).

THANK YOU SO MUCH for your reply and your interest.
Thanks to all the community.  :)

My best regards.

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Re: Elizabeth Harcourt, daughter of Sir Robert Harcourt
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 25 March 25 19:35 GMT (UK) »
I wonder if you've seen this

MARGARET BERKELEY (1412 - 1486)
Also Known As:    "Dame Margaret Byron"
Birthdate:    circa 1412
Birthplace:    Probably Clayton, Lancashire, England
Death:    May 25, 1486 (69-78)
Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, England
Place of Burial:    Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, England, United Kingdom
Immediate Family:    

Daughter of Sir John Byron, Kt. and Margery Byron
Wife of Sir William Atherton, Kt.; Sir Robert Harcourt, KG and Sir Maurice Berkeley, Kt.
Mother of William Atherton; Nicholas Atherton; Sir John Harcourt; Robert Harcourt; Margaret Moton; Thomas Harcourt; George Harcourt; Elizabeth Moton / Breshbirge; Joan Horndesford and Agnes CopeĢ less
Sister of Elizabeth Ashton; Mary Byron; Richard Byron; Ralph Byron; Jane Radclyffe and 3 others

https://www.geni.com/people/Margaret-Berkeley/6000000007605368215

Bev
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Re: Elizabeth Harcourt, daughter of Sir Robert Harcourt
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 25 March 25 20:47 GMT (UK) »
Hi Bev. Yes! That's her! In fact, she was born in 1448, the thing I didn't know is that apparently she was also married to a man called "Moton", before marrying Bracebridge.

That's why she appears as: Elizabeth Moton / Breshbirge.

According to that website link you gave me, she married John Bracebridge in 1474.

Maybe she died giving birth to her son Simon Bracebridge in 1475.

It's weird how the surname "Bracebridge" changes through time. For example, sometimes it appears like "Breshbirge", others like "Bracebrigg". Is that normal? Can it be the same surname?


1.000.000 THANKS.  ;)