Mary Brown, born Bangor 1890(ish), daughter of James

[garden genie]

Jornage -I checked the 1939 register because you said it says Bangor, Caern which it can't do as it does not ask for birthplaces. However there are two couples both called John and Mary Percival in the Wrexham area. John with Mary (born 1890)is a skilled general labourer and has correct children. The other John is with Mary E (born 1888) and is a railway signalman with different children. It looks like the death certificate you mention above in reply 8 for Mary Elizabeth Percival might be the latter one, who is not your Mary.
(A Mary Elizabeth Percival age 63 was buried 1 May 1952 in Wrexham cemetery)

According to NorthWalesBMD John and Mary did marry at the Registry Office, so I take it most of the references to 'Harold' in reply17 should read 'John'.

Acton Hall will just be where John was working, it is only about five miles from Rossett.

[wilcoxon]

Where exactly did the marriage take place.
Where were both couples abode.
Who were the witnesses.

The marriage was in Wrexham register office. This is a little bit odd because everyone in the family that she married into (the Percivals) frequented and used Rossett church for every occasion. She wasn't pregnant (Harold didn't arrive for over a year) so I did wonder whether she possibly came from a catholic family. It was war time though so maybe this was the reason.

The addresses given are Harold's mother's house in Rossett for Mary and Acton Hall, Acton for Harold (this is a strange bit of information that my mum can't explain).

The witnesses were John and Mary Gibson, friends of Harold.

I'm guessing you mean John.

[jornage5]

Jornage -I checked the 1939 register because you said it says Bangor, Caern which it can't do as it does not ask for birthplaces. However there are two couples both called John and Mary Percival in the Wrexham area. John with Mary (born 1890)is a skilled general labourer and has correct children. The other John is with Mary E (born 1888) and is a railway signalman with different children. It looks like the death certificate you mention above in reply 8 for Mary Elizabeth Percival might be the latter one, who is not your Mary.
(A Mary Elizabeth Percival age 63 was buried 1 May 1952 in Wrexham cemetery)

According to NorthWalesBMD John and Mary did marry at the Registry Office, so I take it most of the references to 'Harold' in reply17 should read 'John'.

Acton Hall will just be where John was working, it is only about five miles from Rossett.

You are absolutely correct with all my mistakes here (apologies for the confusion, this is my first time doing all this).

The 1939 register does not say her birthplace. The Bangor Caern that I thought was mentioned there is on the 1911 Wales Census for a Mary Brown born around 1882 working as a servant in Mold.

There are 2 John and Mary Percivals in Wrexham (I keep tripping over them all!). The railway worker John is not the correct one. The correct Mary Brown died in July 1953 in Wrexham Hospital, the death was registered in Ruthin by her son Harold (my grandfather).

The reason Acton Hall was puzzling place for him to be residing to my mum is that John was a soldier when they married and had been with his regiment in England.

[jornage5]

I'm guessing you mean John.

Yes I do, sorry! I have a picture of Mary here with her son Harold, his name must have been stuck in my mind.

[wilcoxon]

The reason Acton Hall was puzzling place for him to be residing to my mum is that John was a soldier when they married and had been with his regiment in England.

Encyclopedia of Wrexham.
During WW1 Acton Hall was used for training by the military,  notably the 3rd Battalion Welsh Mounted Brigade
. ( Denbighshire Hussars)

This might explain why John Percival gave it as his abode.
Still no help with Mary Brown though 🤔

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Have you discounted the Mary Brown b c1888, Bangor [on Dee], Denbighshire, working as a servant in Eccleston, Cheshire on the 1911 census that I posted in reply 6?

[jornage5]

Have you discounted the Mary Brown b c1888, Bangor [on Dee], Denbighshire, working as a servant in Eccleston, Cheshire on the 1911 census that I posted in reply 6?

I don't want to discount her completely but it looks like she married a Higgs in 1912.

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Have you discounted the Mary Brown b c1888, Bangor [on Dee], Denbighshire, working as a servant in Eccleston, Cheshire on the 1911 census that I posted in reply 6?

I don't want to discount her completely but it looks like she married a Higgs in 1912.

There's a Mary Ann Brown in Wrexham in 1911 with her mother and Mr Higgs as the lodger. As she's a general servant she could be the same one as Eccleston, enumerated twice

[wilcoxon]

A bit of something or nothing.
In 1853 Patrick Brown b Ireland marred Catherine Hegarty b Liverpool in Bangor
In 1861 they in Mold with daughter Margaret registered 1854 Holywell .
In 1871 they are in Bangor, Margaret is 17.
1881 and Margaret is missing, but there is a son James 12 b Bangor .
James is with the family till 1911, he married in 1912 and died in 1934 aged 63, so born 1871
A James Brown was registered June qtr 1871 Bangor mmn Brown.
Could James be the illigitmate son of Margaret Brown,  and Patrick and Catherine really his grandparents.

The birth registration for Mary Brown hasn't been found for sure, the only clue is she  says she was born in Bangor and her father was James Brown.
It's possible that if she was born c 1890 / 1891 that James b 1871 was old enough to be her father.
The only drawback is that this Brown family seemed to quite settled and employed .
This doesn't sit right with Mary being destitute,  but it depends on her mothers circumstances.
This all must be taken with a pinch of salt but .......