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Re: Old Harp Cottage
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 23 March 25 11:31 GMT (UK) »
Post #4 has "Tai Winches (Winches Houses)" appearing immediately after "Old Harp" on the '81 Census.
The Town Plans for Merthyr extend as far as Lower Pentre Bāch, falling just short of Troedrhiw. However, on the eastern edge the last section of the Plans it shows the start of "Winches Row".

https://viewer.library.wales/4715635#?xywh=11803%2C3990%2C4605%2C2981&cv=66

Added - just spotted Winches Row on the map at post #5.

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Re: Old Harp Cottage
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 23 March 25 12:48 GMT (UK) »
This shows a "Capel" on the site of "Saron Chapel" which is marked on later maps.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/102182700#zoom=6.7&lat=3054&lon=6548&layers=BT

Mabel,
Could you pl check this item from Welsh Journals - ""Tywysydd y plant 1890.".
https://journals.library.wales/search?rows=10&sort=score&order=desc&alt=&query=%22old%20harp%22&range[min]=1735&range[max]=2007&decade[]=1890&page=1
Would you take it to mean that Saron is sited on the Old Harp or that it simply kicked off there?

Added - seems there's a problem with URLs.
Mabel,
You can find the article on Welsh Journals searching for  "Old Harp"

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Re: Old Harp Cottage
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 23 March 25 21:47 GMT (UK) »
The 1901 item I had was the Weekly Mail and was a summary of the life of the recently departed Rev Rees Morgan of St Clears, but born and brought up in Troedyrhiw

https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3374589/3374599/237/old%2BOR%2Bharp%2BAND%2Btroedyrhiw


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Re: Old Harp Cottage
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 23 March 25 22:00 GMT (UK) »
This shows a "Capel" on the site of "Saron Chapel" which is marked on later maps.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/102182700#zoom=6.7&lat=3054&lon=6548&layers=BT

Mabel,
Could you pl check this item from Welsh Journals - ""Tywysydd y plant 1890.".
https://journals.library.wales/search?rows=10&sort=score&order=desc&alt=&query=%22old%20harp%22&range[min]=1735&range[max]=2007&decade[]=1890&page=1
Would you take it to mean that Saron is sited on the Old Harp or that it simply kicked off there?

Added - seems there's a problem with URLs.
Mabel,
You can find the article on Welsh Journals searching for  "Old Harp"

The item from Tywysydd y Plant also relates the life history of Rees Morgan. The end of the item on the page linked to says:

According the the History of Independent Churches, Mr Morgan's parents were a great support to establishing the cause in Troedyrhiw, for it was in their house - the Old Harp between Troedyrhiw and Dyffryn - that Saron started. Mr Methusalem Jones, Bethesda, Merthyr and the supporting preachers connected to Bethesda, would preach in the Old harp every Sabbath evening for several years, and the Sunday School was set up in the school house where his father ran the daily school. His father and mother were among the 29 members that established Saron. Mr Morgan remembers being a very small child with his father in the midst of thorns and growth measuring the land where the chapel and cemetery now stand in order to prepare the request to the Dowlais Company for the land to build a place of worship

So I think it's clear the group that set up Saron started holding their meetings in the Old Harp before they got the land where Saron stood (and the cemetery remains)


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Re: Old Harp Cottage
« Reply #13 on: Monday 24 March 25 08:57 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the confirmation.