Looking for John Thomas Smith before 1911 help please

[worth]

Hi all,
Im looking for the above person but going around in circles so thought i would ask for help. John Thomas Smith was born around 1884 in West Bromwich Staffordshire and he married Gertrude Annie Knight in 1907 in West Bromwich but he married under the name of Thomas Smith (transcription only), occupation Puddler. They had 3 children, Louisa born 1910 in West Bromwich, James Henry born 1914 in Monmouthshire (my line) and William Harold born 1917 in Monmouthshire. James and William were both baptised in Wales and the address was given as Woodside Terrace Monmouthshire. In 1911 he is down as Thomas Smith living on Brett Street Staffordshire with wife Gertrude, and 2 daughters. He died sometime between 1917 and 1920. Gertrude Annie his wife remarried as a widow in 1920 to Edward Boughton in Staffordshire. I cannot find John Thomas Smith before 1911, which is where i need the help, im not sure weather to look under the name John Thomas or Thomas Smith so another pair of eyes would be great. Thankyou in advance xx

[Pennines]

If you have his marriage certificate - you could try searching the earlier census records with his surname, birthplace and father's name.

(John Smith is SO frustrating as I know!)

[amondg]

Children
Annie Louisa 1908 reg West Bromwich (Ada in 1911)
Louisa 1910 reg. West Bromwich
John Thomas reg. 1911 Newport Mon Born 29 August 1911 at the Workhouse Hospital father Thomas Smith 30 Woodside
Alice  born 16 May 1913 W.H Hospital  4 Woodside Father Thomas Smith and Gertrude Annie
Martha born 16 May 1913 W.H. Hospital 4 Woodside    ditto                                 died 17 May 1913
James Henry    bap 13 January 1915 father John Thomas Smith and Gertrude Annie
William Harold born 25 February 1917 W.H. Hospital - 4 Woodside  of John Thomas and Gertrude Annie

Father is Thomas Smith until 1913 then he becomes John Thomas Smith 1915-1917

[rosie99]

Have you eliminated this death
Sep qtr 1919   
Smith,  John T    age 37   
W. Bromwich reg district    6b   687

You really need the marriage certificate and hope that his father is named
I see it was registry office
SMITH   Thomas   
KNIGHT   Gertrude A   
1907   
West Bromwich Register Office (WBRO)   
Sandwell Register Office   WBRO/45/117   

[worth]

Thanks for all your help its appreciated.

amondg - The son that you found ,John Thomas born born in 1911 was living his his grandparents in 1921 they were John and Harriet Dellicott, turns out that Harriet Dellicott was a Smith before this marriage and the mother of my elusive John Thomas Smith/Thomas, so again thanks loads for all your help xx

[osprey]

If his mother is Harriet, there is this possible family in 1901, Thomas a foundry labourer and father William H a puddler.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSQB-BL6?lang=en

 

[osprey]

and 1911 with Smith children in household

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWW8-C6K?lang=en

[worth]

Osprey thats the correct family xx

[trish1120]

1881 Marriage of William Henry Smith and Harriet is on FreeREG with Fathers names/occp's etc.

+ Fred from 1891 Census was Bapt as Arthur Frederick 18 Sep 1889.

SMITH, ARTHUR  FREDERICK mmn BRITTEN 
GRO Reference: 1889  S Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 800

MITH, SIDNEY mmn     BRITTON 
GRO Reference: 1899  S Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 876


Trish


EDIT William Henry Smith was buried 25 Jan 1906 Heath Lane Cemetery, West Bromwich
Address 2 Great Bridge Street
Age 45