Looking for John Thomas Smith before 1911 help please

[Willow 4873]

Off FreeREG

Heath Lane Cemetery West Bromwich
Burial 27.9.1919 John Thomas Smith aged 37 of 108 Hallam Street West Bromwich

and a possible baptisms (you really do need to get the marriage certificate)

St John The Evangelist West Bromwich

baptism 20.6.1883 John Thomas Smith born 31.3.1883 parents Thomas and Sarah of 29 Albert Street labourer - may have been a private baptism

All Saints, West Bromwich

Baptism 1.9.1985 John Thomas Smith born 16.8.1885 parents William and Fanny of New Street miner

Willow x

[rosie99]

Off FreeREG

Heath Lane Cemetery West Bromwich
Burial 27.9.1919 John Thomas Smith aged 37 of 108 Hallam Street West Bromwich

wife Emma Jane and sons John Thomas (c1907) and George (c1913)

Marriage Sep qtr 1907 
SMITH    John Thomas       
TIMMINS    Emma Jane       
W. Bromwich    6b   1578

SMITH, JOHN  THOMAS     mmn TIMMINS 
GRO Reference: 1907  D Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 859

SMITH, GEORGE       mmn TIMMINS 
GRO Reference: 1913  S Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 1778    

Address agrees on later census

[Willow 4873]

Nice one Rosie off their marriage on FreeREG Johns father is down as Thomas so the John we are searching for (if I have the right baptism) his parents are William and Fanny

Willow x

[Willow 4873]

This is fun I can find William (b1860 West Brom) and Fanny (b1862 West Brom) on the 1891 & 1901 census but absolutely no sign of John/Thomas with them on any

Willow x

[Willow 4873]

Ok now I am a little confused - why do you think his first name is John? He is down as Thomas on the 1911 census and the marriage transcript has no mention of John on either

If his first name is Thomas there is a Thomas on FreeREG (and the 1891 & 1901 census) baptised Greets Green Primitive Methodist born 26.9.1883 baptised 17.10.1883 parents Charles and Jane labourer of Greets Green

Willow x

[rosie99]

I think it is because of the childrens baptisms Willow  .   

Children
Annie Louisa 1908 reg West Bromwich (Ada in 1911)
Louisa 1910 reg. West Bromwich
John Thomas reg. 1911 Newport Mon Born 29 August 1911 at the Workhouse Hospital father Thomas Smith 30 Woodside
Alice  born 16 May 1913 W.H Hospital  4 Woodside Father Thomas Smith and Gertrude Annie
Martha born 16 May 1913 W.H. Hospital 4 Woodside    ditto                                 died 17 May 1913
James Henry    bap 13 January 1915 father John Thomas Smith and Gertrude Annie
William Harold born 25 February 1917 W.H. Hospital - 4 Woodside  of John Thomas and Gertrude Annie

Father is Thomas Smith until 1913 then he becomes John Thomas Smith 1915-1917

[rosie99]

Thanks for all your help its appreciated.

amondg - The son that you found ,John Thomas born born in 1911 was living his his grandparents in 1921 they were John and Harriet Dellicott, turns out that Harriet Dellicott was a Smith before this marriage and the mother of my elusive John Thomas Smith/Thomas, so again thanks loads for all your help xx

Presumably then this is Thomas in 1901

William H   Smith- 40   occ   Puddler in forge   bn Birmingham
Harriett   Smith  39   bn Tipton, Staffordshire
Thomas   Smith  17   occ   Labourer in foundry   bn West Bromwich
Louisa   Smith   15   bn West Bromwich
Frederick   Smith   11   bn West Bromwich
Annie   Smith   5   bn West Bromwich
Sydney   Smith   1   bn West Bromwich
Andrew   Blick   Boarder   40   bn Smethwick, Staffordshire

RG13
Piece 2720
Folio 169
Page 36
...
SMITH, JOHN  THOMAS     mmn BRITTON 
GRO Reference: 1883  S Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 817
 
SMITH, LOUISA       mmn BRITTON 
GRO Reference: 1885  S Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 826

SMITH, SIDNEY       BRITTON 
GRO Reference: 1899  S Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 876
...
Marriages Sep 1881   
BRITTON    Harriett       
Smith    William Henry       
W. Bromwich    6b   915       

[rosie99]

If his mother is Harriet, there is this possible family in 1901, Thomas a foundry labourer and father William H a puddler.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSQB-BL6?lang=en

 

Sorry I did not notice you had posted this 

[Willow 4873]

Probably thats where I am getting confused then I have been looking for John Thomas pre 1913 when I should have been looking for Thomas 

Willow x