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I am so upset .....
« on: Friday 21 March 25 11:26 GMT (UK) »
Hi lovely rootschatters,

Yesterday I logged into my Ancestry account as I do daily to check my new DNA matches and do a little family history research on my family tree which I have built up with my own verified research over the last 25 years.

I noticed a lady who I have brief cordial messages with, no more than half a dozen exchanged between us due to the fact that she shares very distant DNA between us only 10cm and a closer match with my son 124cm on his paternal line in which we both know how my son is connected to her.

I noticed yesterday she has the whole of my family tree and research appeared on her own Ancestry page listed as B family tree.

How on earth has she managed to transfer the whole of my tree onto her Ancestry page ?

I definitely have not given her an invite to share my tree over to her although my tree is public on Ancestry.

My tree has only 800 names on it all totally verified with lots of hard graft and money dedicated to it,hers has nearly 60,000 people on.

What would you lovely rootschatter do ? Message her regarding this or ignore it ?

For me this is really upsetting....any advice would really be appreciated. Thank you so much for taking time to read my message.

Warmest regards...Helen.


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Re: I am so upset .....
« Reply #1 on: Friday 21 March 25 12:05 GMT (UK) »
I'm not sure how many access rights that you have given to your contact but this is what Ancestry says about 'public' trees:

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How public trees look to others

When someone views a public tree, they can see full details about deceased people (including names, dates, and places). They can also view and save facts, photos, and sources from that tree to their tree.

Also, there are levels of sharing:

https://support.ancestry.co.uk/s/article/Sharing-a-Family-Tree

I have always made my trees 'private' on Ancestry.

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« Reply #2 on: Friday 21 March 25 12:09 GMT (UK) »
Also, another quote

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Only you (the tree owner) can edit your tree unless you invite others as editors or contributors. While your tree is public, others can view and save information from it, but they can't change it without your invitation.

I've not checked if they can download a gedcom

Add - they can't download a gedcom

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Re: I am so upset .....
« Reply #3 on: Friday 21 March 25 12:15 GMT (UK) »
Hi, Helen. I understand how upsetting this can be.

In today's copy/paste era, if your tree is public, this type of thing is bound to happen. If you've shared any genealogy with anyone anywhere in any way, whether on paper through the mail or via email, etc., there's an extremely high likelihood that you will see it in an online tree.

I don't have a public tree but every well-researched (and self-funded) family tree that I have shared with cousins has been posted online to their own trees without them asking permission, with the rare exception of one distant cousin who has put my data into her private tree (with my knowledge).

Here's something that happened to me. My brother and I did our DNA tests and I uploaded an extremely basic, short tree to Ancestry for both of us. It was public for a short time. In that time, someone sent a PM to my brother because they have a very distant cousin match. (We're in Canada, this man is in the US.) I responded, because although this man and I don't have a match, I'm managing my brother's DNA results.

This man could only see my public, very basic tree, and I didn't name my parents, so I thought my privacy would be preserved. Unfortunately, due to my other cousins uploading my research, and then many other people copying and pasting it into their trees, this man in the US was able to connect their trees with my grandparents. He informed me (correctly) that he had figured out that my father was one of the two sons of so-and-so. This upset me a great deal and I promptly made my basic tree private.

This man is guessing that we are related through one particular family line, although he hasn't been able to research our families that far back (and neither have I). This would make him a distant relative through my mother. Over time, this man has copied and pasted both my mother's and my father's extensive lines (including every side branch he can find) from various copy/pasters on Ancestry. Why he feels a need to add my father's family to his tree, I have no idea. He has labelled everything to do with my family with my brother's initials. He has no idea how we're related but he seems to be intent on hoovering up every relative of mine that he can find.

This is how people end up with 60,000 people in their online trees.

I've come to the realization that, if I don't want something proliferating all over the internet with no credit or thanks to me, and with no way for serious researchers to contact me, I can't share it with anyone. It's a real conundrum for me and I still haven't figured out how to feel good about the situation with the online free-for-all copy/paste brigade. I hope you are able to sort it out for yourself and feel better soon.
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« Reply #4 on: Friday 21 March 25 12:56 GMT (UK) »
I'm not sure why you would be upset - is it simply the fact that detail you paid for has been used by someone else without paying?

In some countries it is perfectly possible to find details about members of a family tree through the use of research tools oneself, so those details are likely to soon appear online, without them having been copied from your tree.

As said, if you don't want anyone using your paid for research then don't allow the tree to be public, but this negates the ability to maximize dna  matches.

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« Reply #5 on: Friday 21 March 25 13:03 GMT (UK) »
I use the Private but searchable type of tree

https://support.ancestry.co.uk/s/article/Family-Tree-Privacy

THis means that

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Searchable private trees:

    Show up in search results and hints.
    Share only basic details, like the number of people and names of the deceased.
    Others can see you have a tree and can message you to ask questions or request access.

It does mean that people can contact you if they want more info. It's then up to you.

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« Reply #6 on: Friday 21 March 25 13:11 GMT (UK) »
I am also upset about facts and photos being taken from my Family Tree on Ancestry. Mainly the photos - not really the facts.

My tree is private, but I have shared it with others who have connections.

Now, Ancestry send me hints of my OWN photos, which others have taken and put on their trees - even my own parents' wedding photo. I am so upset about this - but I will never share my tree again - although it's too late now.

The damage has been done.
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Re: I am so upset .....
« Reply #7 on: Friday 21 March 25 14:06 GMT (UK) »
I'm not sure why you would be upset - is it simply the fact that detail you paid for has been used by someone else without paying?

In some countries it is perfectly possible to find details about members of a family tree through the use of research tools oneself, so those details are likely to soon appear online, without them having been copied from your tree.

As said, if you don't want anyone using your paid for research then don't allow the tree to be public, but this negates the ability to maximize dna  matches.

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I agree, I actually enjoy other people taking my information and using it even if it includes info I may have personally paid for like BMD certificates.  If I can use one snippet from somebody else's tree why can't they take one, two, three or more snippets from mine - where does it stop?.  The whole principle of Ancestry.com and most social media is to share and without that facility many of us would be floundering.  I'm in this jape purely to advance my knowledge of my own family trees and I just dont care what others do.  Its not a commercial venture and there are no winners and losers out there. 

I appreciate its each to their own and I admit politeness does go a long way which unfortunately is not the case here

I do however admit that I am perplexed as to how the culprit actually executed this deed!!!

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« Reply #8 on: Friday 21 March 25 14:15 GMT (UK) »
Based on Gadget’s replies, and my own reading of Ancestry’s help, there are only two ways that this can have happened:

1) One-by-one transfer of 800 individuals with the additional requirement to edit their relationship to build a tree. That’s a lot of painstaking work.

2) Via access to the account. Was the password ever shared with anyone? Is it a secure password, or is it guessable (e.g. based on names and dates).
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