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Re: Can anyone help
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 01 April 25 13:40 BST (UK) »
Hi All

Please see attached a snippet of My Great Grandfather Georges marriage cert, as mentioned, I can't make out if its Sailor or Tailor..

J

You can see the difference by comparing it with the S in Street
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« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 01 April 25 14:29 BST (UK) »
This is the census return for William Webb who was born in Holcolme. it seems his father is no longer on the scene and that Eliza (known as Webb on his birth details/0 seems to now be knows as Eliza Langley. Does it say she was born in Wales?

We all have access to this census, (no need to post), but there is NO evidence yet that this family has any connection to your William Webb. The birth certificates of the two boys, Eli and George, should give you information about him. At the moment, the tiny bit of information you have is conflicting.

Please post the marriage certificate for Helen Webb (Ellen), and the 1911 census for her.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Can anyone help
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 02 April 25 13:43 BST (UK) »
Hi Neale1961

Please see marriage cert attached, part 1 and 2 of 1911 census to follow.

J

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Re: Can anyone help
« Reply #30 on: Wednesday 02 April 25 13:44 BST (UK) »
Hi there

Now census 1911 details.

J


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Re: Can anyone help
« Reply #31 on: Wednesday 02 April 25 13:45 BST (UK) »
1911 census part 1

J

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« Reply #32 on: Wednesday 02 April 25 23:02 BST (UK) »
So you now have confirmed that Ellen McWhinney was born in Ireland in about 1851, and her brother Alexander, about 2 years later. She made herself younger when she married a much younger man, Henry McLeod, who must be the brother of the ”boarder” from the 1911 census.
We can safely assume that Ellen’s birth place was Newtownards, County Down, since her parents married there, her mother died there, and she and Alexander married there. By the way, Alexander died in 1921 in Ireland.

In reply 22, I posted a large amount of information and leads about the McWhinney family for you to research further as you wish.

I should add, there is also a Jane McWhinney who is a witness at Ellen’s marriage – maybe a sister, that you could follow up on too.

It is interesting to note that at the wedding of Ellen to Henry McLeod (1916), and at the wedding of George Henry Webb (1904), there are no McWhinney or Webb family members recorded as witnesses. I have not seen Eli’s marriage certificate, so I don’t know who the witnesses were.
(It is worth noting witnesses and informants on documents as they very often provide valuable family information.)
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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« Reply #33 on: Wednesday 02 April 25 23:45 BST (UK) »
Regarding William Webb. The only definitive information you have is that he was a soldier when he married in 1873, and his father was named Thomas.
You cannot be sure which army regiment (or regiments) he was with at any specific time; I have not found any military records for him.
You don’t know when or where he was born; you don’t know when or where he died. Also, he has unfortunately, a very common name.

The information given by his 2 sons when they married, about their father, is conflicting, and may not be accurate.

If you want to progress further, you would now look at the 1877 birth certificate for George Henry WEBB, as any information provided about the father William and his occupation may give you better direction.

I do suspect George was being fanciful when he says his father was a "tailor" – but maybe there was some grain of truth?

From the records, George Webb appears to have quite an extensive military career, and he must have joined the army when still a teenager.
•   1st battalion Queens Own Cameron Highlanders 1641 Sudan, Africa (1896-1899) & then transferred to 1st battalion Welsh Regiment, Cairo 
•   2nd battalion Seaforth Highlanders 4693  Boer War (1899-1902)
•   WW1 - Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers D5797594 Lieut / A Cpt

Eli Webb, before joining up again in 1914 with the Highland Light Infantry, had at some time spent 4 yrs with LRV, and 4 yrs with the Cameronians (7th Scottish Rifles).

Eli’s and George’s time in the military is worthy of note. For George it explains why he doesn’t appear in the England / Scotland census in 1901. The fact that neither are findable in the 1881 census (as young boys) is curious. Possible explanations would be that the family was either abroad with their father on military exploits, or had returned to Ireland with their mother.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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« Reply #34 on: Thursday 03 April 25 06:55 BST (UK) »
William Webb does seem to be a bit of a dead end. I will keep trying. To get my Great Grand Uncle George's birth certificate, I take it I would need to sign up for the English equivalent of Scotland's People?

J

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« Reply #35 on: Thursday 03 April 25 07:17 BST (UK) »
William Webb does seem to be a bit of a dead end. I will keep trying. To get my Great Grand Uncle George's birth certificate, I take it I would need to sign up for the English equivalent of Scotland's People?

See my reply 14.
Register and Log in for free to https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
Straightforward there after to order the correct birth rego, details as I have already posted.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)