Can anyone help

[Neale1961]

There is a mention in the Police Gazette of a William Webb, age 27, of 6th foot Regiment who deserted in October 1877 in Dover. This would tie in with him being there when his second son was born earlier in the same year.

This deserter, William Webb was born in Holcombe Somerset abt 1850, and I can see there is a possible baptism there in January 1852 with a father named Thomas, and mother Eliza.

It needs much further investigation to see if this is a possible father for your Eli.

[Neale1961]

Helen McWhinney / Helen Webb had a second marriage in 1916 Scotland to Henry McLeod.
Have a look at that marriage certificate to get both her parents names. It might also mention when her previous husband died.



I wonder if this is the marriage of her parents (George Mawinney and Catherine Kennedy) in Ireland in 1848
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1848/09356/5388140.pdf


There are quite a few important documents for you to acquire if you want to have the correct information and to supply reliable leads to other information.
 If you post the information from these documents it will allow us to continue to assist you.

[Neale1961]

JacobusV, I hope the information I posted above was clear / understandable.

Since you have not replied to your thread (although you have been online several times), it is not possible to know if it was useful, or if there is any further help required.

[JacobusV]

Hi All

The information regards my Ancestor William Webb has been very helpful. The Webb side of my family beyond my Great Grandfather Eli Webb has been a total mystery, not only to me but to the rest of my family. Its fascinating to realize that my 2 times Great Grandfather Eli Web seems to be from Holcombe, Somerset. It seems too much of a coincidence that My Great Uncle George Webb was born in Dover and his father deserted from the army in Dover around the same time. Ancestry doesn't seem to have much more information. However I did find a census form with William aged 9 living in Shepton Mallet. He seems to be living with Eliza Webb aged 51 head of household (his mother?), Eliza Langley aged 22 (sister or perhaps under age mother considering the Head of household has a different name with no husband), Caroline Langley 17. No mention of Thomas Webb whatsoever.

[JacobusV]

Hi All

It is the same William born in Holcombe in 1852 or christened in 1852.

J

[Neale1961]

Ancestry doesn't seem to have much more information.

Well, there IS more information available on Ancestry and other sites, but as explained above you have to acquire some vital records that will hopefully provide more information to lead your next searches, and so you know where next to look.


Questions from this thread that you have not yet answered   -------

From Reply #3 - Where is Eli in 1881 & 1891 census?

From Reply #4 - Why do you think Ellen was born in Shotts? Where does her date of birth of 1847 come from?

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Recommended documents which may provide additional information about William Webb and Ellen McWhinney, and allow for further research -

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Birth Certificate
WEBB, GEORGE  HENRY                  Mother - MCWHINNEY 
GRO Reference: 1877  M Quarter in DOVER  Volume 02A  Page 951
Available from here £3.00 for an instant digital download
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

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Birth and or baptism record for Eli WEBB
There may also be information available in Army lists from this link
From here -
https://www.priaulxlibrary.co.uk/collections/family-history

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3/
Marriage certificate of Helen McWhinney to Henry McLeod,  1916, Blythswood
Ref - 644 / 10 / 511
Available on Scotlands People
This will also confirm names of both of Ellen’s parents.

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Marriage certificate of George Henry Webb to Jemima Stevenson 1904 Bridgeton
Ref - 644 / 1 / 223
Available on Scotlands People
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5/
1911 Census for Ellen McWhinney Webb (age 60) in Calton Lanark
Ref - 644/3 61/ 9 
Available on Scotlands People
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6/
Death certificate for Helen Webb / Helen McWhinney / Helen McLeod (age 61) died 1918 Bridgeton
Ref - 644 / 1 / 324
Available on Scotlands People

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£10.50 will purchase ALL the documents you require and answer so many questions. Neale has given great details for you

SS

[JacobusV]

Hi All

Regards Helen McWhinney and her marriage to Henry McLeod, it checks out, her parents were indeed Goerge Mawhinney (although they have it down as MacWhinney on the marriage register in Blythswood in Glasgow).

Details below:

Marriage date/location: 28th February 1916 50 Wellington Street Glasgow:

Henry McLeod, Colliery Labourer, usual residence, 47 Reid Street Bridgeton, Father William McLeod, Weaver deceased

Helen Webb (her x mark) widow, usual residence 47 Reid Street Bridgeton, parents George McWhinney, Weaver, deceased, Catherine McWhinney MS Kennedy deceased.

J

[JacobusV]

I have also purchases the Marriage cert of George Henry Webb and Jemima Stevenson

They both lived at 10 French Street in Glasgow and were married into the Church of Scotland on the 8th of July 1904. Georges Father was William George Webb (either Tailor or Sailor hard to make out) and his mother was Helen Webb maiden surname McWhinnie (note the variations on spelling)

J