Horace GRUNDRY

[ShaunJ]

Seems to me that that, coupled with the pension record shows it is the same man

Good find ! The evidence is stacking up. I wish I could modify my earlier comment about the 1921 census.

The Kalgoorlie electoral registers in the 1920s include several Gundrys. Cousins possibly?

[sparrett]

Under the misspelling-

GUNDAY   Horace John
Age   45
Father UNKNOWN   
Mother UNKNOWN   
At Kalgoorlie
East Coolgardie   1800157   1932

I wonder if the parents Not  Known was a judicious choice by   Maud.
Perhaps the death certificate would show many columns UNKNOWN .

I notice there is a son named Edgar to this couple.

https://www.ancestry.com.au/mediaui-viewer/tree/176693347/person/152293350964/media/fb322171-0684-4b0e-b3d8-a76cb43336fe

The UK 1891 census shows one young  Horace GUNDRY with brother Edgar.
Sue

[mckha489]

I wonder what the marriage certificate says. You would think Maud would have had that, to at least enter a father.


Marriages Mar 1917   (>99%)
Grundy    Horace J    Hollands    Tonbridge    2a   1375    
Hollands    Lilian M    Grundy    Tonbridge    2a   1375

[sparrett]

As mentioned by ShaunJ

Among other very relevant information on census 1921. Maud and Horace. Kent.
(the r is omitted in the Ancestry transcription listing)

Horace gives his age which tallies with his age at death.

2 young children to the couple match the names of children mentioned in the WA death notice.

There is a reference to work in Africa

There is Horace's signature for any possible comparison.

Sue

[Dundee]

I wonder what the marriage certificate says. You would think Maud would have had that, to at least enter a father.


Marriages Mar 1917   (>99%)
Grundy    Horace J    Hollands    Tonbridge    2a   1375    
Hollands    Lilian M    Grundy    Tonbridge    2a   1375

Here is one I made earlier 

https://postimg.cc/T5WQKGWq

Debra 

[mckha489]

Thank you
 
Hmm. Australian Mounted Police. ??

John the miner is ok.  Although haven’t seen him with William added before.
That matches the transcript of the marriage to Alice in 1903

Horace Gundry, 22, railway employee of 35 New Street, son of John Gundry, miner; Alice Whittaker, 23, tobacco operative of 35 New Street, daughter of William Whittaker, printer. Witnesses: Thomas Beamond, Annie Knowles


But age at marriage to Maud is out.  29 in 1917 = 1888.
What is Horace John’s address?

And so yes, she did know name of his father and chose not to put it on the death certificate

[sparrett]

Nice to see the MC Debra

His address is Lyons Crescent Tonbridge.

Sue

[sparrett]

Observation....Speculation

When Horace married Maud Feb 1917 he had not been to Australia at all.
He had probable relatives in Kalgoorlie involved in mining and new of them.

He was still in the Army Foot Police at the marriage (quit May 1917)
He invented an occupation which was a bit true (police) and a bit wishful/false in order to obscure his identity. (Mounted police Australia)

In August 1917 he embarked for South Africa from Liverpool. Maud was pregnant.
Horace Verdum William GUNDRY. Births Sep 1/4 1917   
Mother HOLLLANDS
At Orsett
 4a   886

He returned to father another child and in 1921 they all set of for Western Australia to make use of  his mining experience.

How his "first wife" Alice knew of his exploits and his mining career is a mystery.  But with youngish children to care for, she was not admitting desertion and knew of his whereabouts in order to claim his pension.

My thoughts on the matter for your entertainment 

Sue

 
 

[mckha489]

Yes, that’s how I see it too.

Not quite sure how Alice was able to say she was a widow (pension card) as there is no record of a death, yet obviously continued to consider herself married (1921 & 1939)