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Re: HORACE GRUNDRY
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 22 March 25 08:06 GMT (UK) »
To OP
Looks like this to me.

As you say-
Horace was born at  Clun
Births Dec 1883   
Gundry Horace
at Clun 6a   /561


As was his brother Edgar
GUNDRY, EDGAR  JOSEPH     mms HOTCHKISS 
1881  J Quarter in CLUN  Volume 06A/ 600

Deaths Mar 1886   
Emma (nee HOTCHKISS) their mother died
GUNDRY Emma
Aged    32
at  Clun
6a/467

Looks like John, the lead miner born in Cornwall then remarried

Marriages Jun 1889   
THOMAS    Elizabeth
Gundry    John
at Clun 6a   1105

 
1901 census john and wife  Elizabeth at Salop.
He is a lead miner. Born Cornwal.
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Re: HORACE GRUNDRY
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 22 March 25 11:08 GMT (UK) »
Wow, all so interesting, i still think my Horace (b Dec 1883) did not go to Aus, just dug out a second wedding for Alice May Erskine nee Gundry 1931 it states that her father Horace was deceased. So could not have gone to Aus & died 1932

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Re: HORACE GRUNDRY
« Reply #29 on: Saturday 22 March 25 14:00 GMT (UK) »
It may well be that Alice kept up the story that Horace was deceased etc  and her daughter, Alice May either did not know or was complicit in the story.
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Re: HORACE GRUNDRY
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 22 March 25 17:40 GMT (UK) »
How do you explain away this Shaun posted earlier.

https://www.corpsofmilitarypolice.org/soldier/8106/

And the two addresses on the transfer to the Military police document?

There is a pension document at Australian National Archives you could ask to see which might have more detail and prove something either way.

GUNDRY Horace - 3839 Military Foot Police [also served as 10574 Scots Guards] [dependant's claim]
Contents date range
1932 - 1933



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Re: HORACE GRUNDRY
« Reply #31 on: Saturday 22 March 25 20:11 GMT (UK) »
Do you have his signature from his marriage to Alice (or any other document)?
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Re: HORACE GRUNDRY
« Reply #32 on: Saturday 22 March 25 22:59 GMT (UK) »
This is a bit of a mystery.

Wife Alice L Gundry describes her condition as married in the 1921 census; and yet she seems to be in receipt of a widow's pension from the War Office in 1920 per pension records; and other pension records record his widow as Maud L Gundry in Boulder City, Western Australia in 1932.

https://www.corpsofmilitarypolice.org/soldier/8106/

seeds ltd

The information on marriage certificates is very often false.
People lie about their ages, the present marital status, their occupations and their parent's names.
There was no requirement in the document format to state whether the partiy's parents were dead or living.
 It seemd to be left to individual clergy whether or not it was mentioned.
Social face-saving played a part here.

I wonder if the "seven year rule" played any part in the story from Alice's (nee Whittaker) pension claim.

Horace joined the Army Police Force in 1914 and had possibly been estranged from his wife for a time before that.

The "rule " goes along the lines that if there has been no contact between spouses for 7 years and their whereabouts is uncertain it may be presumed they are dead.
This left each free to marry again and, in this case, free to claim any monies or benefits due.

Of course she may still use the term married to describe her status if she chose.

I think the police pension office was completely confused by this situation!!

Do others have thoughts on this

Sue
  



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