New member researching Joseph/William Frizell Old Ross 1709 Palatines

[Wexflyer]

Looking at both ends of the century I'm trying to fully establish that these Frizell's who were given settlement lands on Able Ram's land in Bantry townland, Dunamore/Goldenstown, Old Ross were Palatine refugees (can there be another explanation - were they already farmers in this area prior to 1709?).

The Frizells were Palatine colonial expropriators.

[Summerhill]

Bernard Brown has written extensively about the Palatine settlement in his book Old Ross The Town That Never Was.  It is out of print now but available in Wexford County Library , Mallin Street , Wexford. It can also be obtained through interlibrary loan.  The post of Rector for New Ross Union is vacant at the moment.  But the New Ross Union of Parishes consists of New Ross, Old Ross, Kilesk , Whitechurch, Fethard on Sea. The Church of Ireland Parish registers nationwide  are currently being digitised in collaberation between the Irish Government and the RCB Library, Rathfarnham , Dublin 14 they are expected to be online within the next year or so.  However the RCB Library holds all the parish registers so if you contact them they should be able to help you.  The Church of Ireland website will have the contact details for the RCB Library.

[Wexflyer]

This article may be of some interest
https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~hartrickclan/genealogy/article7.htm

[Wexflyer]

An article about the Hartricks of New Ross
https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~hartrickclan/genealogy/article7.htm

And of Ireland
https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~hartrickclan/genealogy/article1.htm

[MJPilling25]

Again thank you, I find the search for ancestors an addictive quest of endless clues! Bit by bit we piece things together but it's the help of others who've been on a similar journey who can really unlock things.

As a newbie I haven't yet worked out how to reply to you individually some replies as follows:
Wexflyer: Joseph Frizell and Mary Nichols (mispelt Nicholls) I have triangulated various records and sources including land deed references and birth records to establish this is the correct Mary, including unique documentary ties to the Nichols family, family names including Gustavus and the double barrelling go Robert Nichols-Frizell's surname.
There is a reference to Cornelia Frizell's will on another Roots 'Frizell' chat (Summerhill included in) but it looks like the person who had a copy may be deceased. I recognise it may have been destroyed in the 1922 fire but would be interested to find out if there may be a way to double check or if anyone else may have a copy.
Palatine connection I have only recently discovered this tragic period in Irish history, my mother believing the family to be of Irish descent, if they were indeed Palatine I would be grateful for any suggestions of where I might find them on shipping list, all of the ones I've checked so far don't list any variant of Frizell apart from the Adam Fissel on the Southwell estate in Rathkeale. One of the sermons from a priest of St Mary's includes that the Palatine's settled on Able Ram's lands were shipwrecked off the coast. Is there somewhere that a shipwreck of the coast of Wexford for 1709/1710 would be listed?
Thank you for the articles about the Hartnick's/Ram estate I have these and a growing collection of histories including the Old Ross the town that never was. Interesting it is this book that plants the seed of doubt about them being 100% Palatine as little is known about their early 1709/10 origins compared to other families in the book. Could they have been Huguenots even? Any ideas about where to look next would be appreciated.
Thank you Summerhill for the suggestions I will look to follow them up re parish registers etc.
Many thanks again!

[J Gallin]

I am researching the same Frizells and am persuaded that "my Frizelles" were originally Frasers from Scotland.

There is some very strong oral history from Frizells who migrated to various parts of the world that they were Frasers and from looking at some basic things about the Palantines, they don't seem to fit there.  They were no doubt very entwined with the Palantines near Old Ross and Gorey, but I think that is because they were land managers and surveyors for Abel Ram.  Many of my Frizelles have Fraser as a middlename.   

I will attach a few things that I have found. 

My own current area of interest is of linking "my" Frizelles to the Joseph, William and Sutton Frizells.  Clearly they are related - they live in the same area and there are lots of other connections, but I am currently puzzled about the exact connection.   My oldest confirmed Frizell is Charles Frizell Snr. who was a surveyor. (I think, but cannot 100% confirm that his father (also Charles)  was the first Frizell from my branch to arrive in Ireland.)  Charles Senior (the surveyor) lived about 1706 to 1775.  His two sons Richard (1730-1804) and Charles Jnr (1738-1812) were also surveyors.  Richard built a home, called Beaufort house in Rathfarnham, Dublin. (Beaufort was the land of the Frasers of Lovat).   Charles Jnr built a house at Castlekevin in Wicklow.    Ensuing generations seemed to all have sons named Charles and Richard, so things can get confusing.   

Here is a deed that connects Richard Frizell, the surveyor, to William Frizell "the elder" and his sons William "the younger" and Charles.   Deed 154675 1765 William Frizell Elder and Younger convey Old Ross Property to Richard Frizell, 22 March 1765,  Transcripts of memorials of deeds, conveyances and wills, 1708-1929,  394, 154675, Film 008088419, Image 551,  Family Search, https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSN1-89Q4-Z?i=550&cat=185720&lang=en   

Maybe William the Elder and Charles Sr Surveyor were brothers?  And I think William the Younger and his brother Charles had descendents named Joseph and Sutton and Richard, who are also confusing since there are many contemporaneous cousins with the same names.

Anyway, if anyone out there has information about exactly how the surveying Frizells fit in with the William and Josephs and Suttons, I would be grateful to hear about it. 

I have tons of other Frizell research that I am happy to share.  My problem is I am a dogged researcher, but not a great organizer.  So currently I am trying to create a well documented tree on RootsMagic, which I will eventually share via Ancestry or Gedcom to help others find my research and collaborate.   I am also open to just dumping some of my documents into shared Google folders or drop box. 

Anyway, take a look at the deed I reference above and also the attachments I am uploading about the Fraser and Scottish connections and be in touch if you want to collaborate further. 

[J Gallin]

Here is another attachment about the Scottish connection.