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[Neale1961]

Possible death - Sarah Turpie/ Sarah McKenzie died in Bo’ness in 1906.
Her death certificate available from Scotlands People will give her parents names, as remembered by the informant.

[Neale1961]

The marriage banns for the Turpie to McKenzie wedding were read in both Scoonie and Wemyss.
The banns will tell you who came from which parish.

This looks like John living in Scoonie for the 1841 census.
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a14a1d6f4040b9d6e9f2197/john-turpie-1841-fife-scoonie-1826-?locale=en
His parents were John Turpie and Christian Duncan, married 1806 in Kennoway.


The 1841 census in Wemyss link provided by Daisypetal looks promising for Sarah / Sally.

1851 census for same family
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a14abbaf4040b9d6eaa33b8/samuel-mckenzie-1851-fife-wemyss-1784-?locale=en

[JacobusV]

Hi

That's interesting. I'm aware that there was a certain stigma, even then of saying you were born in Ireland. It could be possible that they were.

Am I right in saying that the freecel information is saying that those McKenzies lived in Wemyss district in Fife but were all born in Ireland?

J

[Neale1961]

........ those McKenzies lived in Wemyss district in Fife but were all born in Ireland?

Yes, that is correct.

[Neale1961]

As far as I can see, the parents were Samuel McKENZIE and Jane / Jean MCLAUCHLAN.

One of their earliest born children appears to have been Daniel, born abt 1809 in county Antrim.
He was married to Catharine Miller, and he died in 1864.

1851 census for Daniel and family.
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a14ab63f4040b9d6ea9d7bd/daniel-mckenzie-1851-fife-markinch-1809-?locale=en

[JacobusV]

If I'm right, due to the Irish records all mostly being destroyed during the Irish Civil War in the 1920s, I'll struggle to go back any farther? I have Irish family on my father's side and my research on them pretty much came to a dead stop. This is very helpful though as the McKenzie side of my Mum's fily were a significant brick wall. Thank you, it's very much appreciated.

J

[JacobusV]

Hi Neale1961

The information was initially useful, however I decided to look at Scotland's People as, someone earlier in the chat suggested I look at death records (something I admit hadn't occurred as I spend most of my time looking at births). Her death record said her father was a John McKenzie and her mother's name on the record was unfortunately illegible. No idea who John McKenzie was so the search goes on.

Cheers

J

[rosie99]

It may be worth you posting a snippet of the mother’s name on that death certificate on the deciphering boards in case someone can make sense of it.  I presume the certificate is all in the same handwriting so it would be an idea to show enough of it to give people something to compare it with.

[shanreagh]

If I'm right, due to the Irish records all mostly being destroyed during the Irish Civil War in the 1920s, I'll struggle to go back any farther? I have Irish family on my father's side and my research on them pretty much came to a dead stop. This is very helpful though as the McKenzie side of my Mum's fily were a significant brick wall. Thank you, it's very much appreciated.

J

It is a widespread  myth that all the Irish records were destroyed.  For searching in Ireland you need to be very aware of your ancestor's religion and if possible the region that they may have come from in Ireland, if you have a Townland, so much the better.  There are a number of searching aids in Ireland some of which are useful census substitutes. 

Here are some links

Irish Genealogy https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/
1901/1911 census with fragments dating back to the early 1820s   https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/

This guy has put togther a list of resources covering mainly Co Londonderry
https://www.billmacafee.com/
and Lindel has done the same for Co Donegal
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tq5/


ETA:
The names that Neale1961 has found, McKenzie and McLauchlan, can be found in the north. McLauchlan is often spelt McLoughlin in Ireland.  Scots people came over, particularly to the north as part of what was called The Plantation.