Parents not married?

[Mabel Bagshawe]

I'm not sure what happens to him either.  Ann Morgan is a servant on 1861 & 1871, not marrying until 1874. No sign of him with her. I haven't found her mother Margaret on 1861 to see if he's there

[Cas (stallc)]

I am looking for the birth/baptism records for a Margaret Hopkins. The 1861 census has her living with her grandparents and born in Welsh St Donats Glamorgan. I have found her marriage record which shows her father as John Hopkins. 1881 census has her living with John Hopkins at Lower Cosmeston farm.  I cannot find any record of a marriage for John Hopkins or a mother for Margaret. When searching the "Free BMD" records there is no Margaret Hopkins for the approximate d.o.b.
1851 not shown on census record for the Hopkins family. 1861 aged 11, 1871 aged 22, 1881 aged 23?
If Margarets parents were not married would the birth registration for Margaret be recorded under her mothers name and not that of Hopkins her father?

Welsh St Donats registration comes under Cardiff

https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/cardiff.html

Children would be very likely registered under Morgan, as parents unmarried. John Hopkin would need to be present at registration to give any details of father, and them accepted. Unless he himself registered.

There are possible Cardiff birth registrations for both children under Morgan with no mother's maiden on GRO.

Cas

[wdytya]

I'm not sure what happens to him either.  Ann Morgan is a servant on 1861 & 1871, not marrying until 1874. No sign of him with her. I haven't found her mother Margaret on 1861 to see if he's there

Is there a copy of the marriage for Ann Morgan on Ancestry, if so what parish/district.county? and is she at Welsh St Donats on the 1861 and 1871 census

[Mabel Bagshawe]

1861 in  Llantrithyd , a boarder with John Morgan (farmer) and his family
Piece 4041, folio 131, p3


1871 again in Llantrithyd, servant in the household of Llewelyn Thomas
Piece 5372, folio 22, p 20


Marriage is on Ancestry

Ann Morgan, full age, spinster, Llantrithyd
Father    Christopher Morgan, farmer

William John, full age, widower, farmer, Llancarfan
Father   Henry Morgan, labourer

Marriage    7 May 1874 Llantrithyd,

Witnesses John Morgan, Margaret Morgan

He made his mark, she signed

[wdytya]

Morgan and David Family connection.

After many hours of searching on Ancestry at the local records office and the library I have failed to find a connection between the Morgan and David families living  in Llantrithyd and Welsh St Donats Glamorgan.

Ann Morgan born 1824 had two illegitimate  children with a John Hopkins, Margaret 1849 and John 1853 both Welsh St Donats

Ann on the 1841 census in living with her parents Christopher and Margaret at Llantrithyd in Glamorgan and in 1851 again with her parents  this time living at Welsh St Donats.

Whilst on the 1851 census Ann is still at the home of her parents Christopher and Margaret but her children Margaret is not with her.

On the 1851 census Margaret is at the home of a Charlotte David and her daughter Jane in Welsh St Donats. The question is why is she not with her mother Ann Morgan?

Charlotte David married a Lewis David in 1819 and on the 1841 census are at Welsh St Donats.

Charlotte’s maiden name is Morgan whilst Ann Morgan’s mother, Margaret, maiden name is David.

So is Charlotte Morgan related someway to Christopher Morgan and is Margaret David related to Lewis David?

I have failed to find any connections.

Also no sign of Ann’s son John after his baptism in 1853.

[nestagj]

Hi

It could be a finacial relationship in that as the mother had to work then the David's were acting as foster parents to the child.    This was quite a common occurrence in those times, there are some horror stories where the foster or nurse child were murdered or badly treated but I assume, hopefully, that most of these relationships worked.  They were called nurse children from the premise that the woman looking after them was a wet nurse but these children stayed with the foster family for many years.

In 1850, "nurse-children" referred to infants placed in the care of someone other than their parents, often due to economic necessity or the shame of illegitimacy, with women who took care of them known as "nurses" or "wet nurses".

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=772027.0

Nesta