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The Bennetts of Stourbridge, Dudley - and America!
« on: Wednesday 12 March 25 17:57 GMT (UK) »
This is all about the Bennett family who lived in Dudley. There are some minor queries but one much more complex mystery. So here goes :
Edward Bennett was born in 1857 in Stourbridge. In 1883, he married Sarah Nicklin in Tutbury, where their 5 children were born, then between 1896 and 1901 they moved to Dudley, where they all lived in 1901 and 1911 at 18 Himley Road. After Sarah died, he was still there in 1921 but I have found no record of his death.
However, in 1911, his daughter Elizabeth (born 1888) is shown with them at Himley Road but a note says “British subject by parentage”. The same note is applied to her youngest brother Edward aged 14, and also William Bennett, aged 3 and shown as Edward’s nephew born in America - bit none of the others. His birth date is shown as 7.3.08 in  the 1939 register, and I found a record showing William Bennett born in Manhattan 7.4.08 so that may be him – but that's all I have i.e.nothing about parents. Back in Dudley in 1911, there is also a niece Sarah, then aged 1 and born in Dudley Port. I have two theories about William and Sarah (though there may be others) :
•   They were indeed nephew and niece to Edward, which means that he must have had a brother who emigrated  to America then returned to Dudley Port by 1910 and presumably died before the 1911 census, hence they went to live with Edward and his family. I can’t substantiate this further because I can’t find a record of Edward and his parents in 1861, and in 1871 he was living with his own uncle.
•   Elizabeth emigrated to America some time between 1901 and 1908, gave birth to William, then returned and had Sarah in Dudley Port – they are recorded as nephew and niece to avoid the “shame” of illegitimacy. But because I can’t find a record for either, showing parent(s), I can’t prove that either. It also seems strange that Edward (Edward Thomas Bennett baptised 1896) would have accompanied Elizabeth when only aged between 5 and 12.
I have access to Familysearch, Ancestry and Findmypast but, for once, none of them have produced anything. So I am hoping to find a Rootschatter who can access either (1) details of Edward’s family to show a brother, (2) birth record for William in America to show parent/s, or (3) emigration / immigration records for Elizabeth, William and maybe Edward. Hence I am kicking this off in the Common Room as it would apply to at least two other categories.

Elizabeth subsequently married twice and had 3 or 4 children with Arthur Paskin (1886-1923) and 1 with Joseph Edward Addison (1881-1953). She died in 1973.

Thanks for your attention!

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Re: The Bennetts of Stourbridge, Dudley - and America!
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 12 March 25 18:42 GMT (UK) »
Is this Edward in the 1871 census you mentioned

Name   Edward Bennett
Sex   Male
Age   14
Birth Year (Estimated)   1857
Birthplace   Stourbridge, Worcestershire
Marital Status   Unknown
Relationship to Head of Household   Nephew
Event Type   Census
Event Date   1871
Event Place   Amblecote, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom

Name   George Bate
Sex   Male
Age   35
Birth Year (Estimated)   1836
Birthplace   Birmingham, Warwickshire
Marital Status   Married
Relationship to Head of Household   Head
Event Type   Census
Event Date   1871
Event Place   Amblecote, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom

Name   Maria Bate
Sex   Female
Age   34
Birth Year (Estimated)   1837
Birthplace   Stambermill, Staffordshire
Marital Status   Married
Relationship to Head of Household   Wife
Event Type   Census
Event Date   1871
Event Place   Amblecote, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom
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Re: The Bennetts of Stourbridge, Dudley - and America!
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 12 March 25 18:53 GMT (UK) »
Possible William's birth from Family Search site

Name   William Bennett
Sex   Male
Father's Name   Robert Bennett
Mother's Name   Martha Curtier Bennett
Event Type   Birth
Event Date   07 Apr 1908
Event Place   Manhattan, New York, New York, United States
Event Place (Original)   Borough of Manhattan, New York
Record Type   birth
Source Details   cn 20931

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Re: The Bennetts of Stourbridge, Dudley - and America!
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 12 March 25 18:58 GMT (UK) »
Above is attached to a tree that also has this ???

William Francis Bennett
Birth: 7 April 1908 Manhattan, New York City, New York, United States
Death: 4 January 1968

Also if you click on the tree there is a good in depth tree that show parents and siblings.

https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/pedigree/landscape/G4XD-CFG

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Re: The Bennetts of Stourbridge, Dudley - and America!
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 12 March 25 19:16 GMT (UK) »
Possibly Edwards Immigration on Family Search site ???

Name   Edward Bennett
Sex   Male
Age   
Birth Date   1857
Birthplace   England
Event Type   Immigration
Event Date   1887
Event Place   Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States
Event Place (Original)   Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States
Affiliate Publication Number   T840
Affiliate Publication Title   Passenger Lists of Vessels Arriving at Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, 1883-1945
Ship Name   British Princess

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:23QQ-HKK?lang=en

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Re: The Bennetts of Stourbridge, Dudley - and America!
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 12 March 25 20:07 GMT (UK) »
gc1 - many thanks for this. I was very hopeful when I first received your reply, especially with so much detail.
However, it now seems that the William Bennett born on 7.4.08 in Manhattan is not the same as mine, even though the birthdate (shown in the 1939 register) is 7.3.08 and he is shown as born in America. This one died in Sandwell, West Midlands (adjacent to Dudley) in 1978 - his  death record shows his birth date.
I don't think the Edward you have found on immigration records is mine as he is shown on all censuses from 1871 onwards in the Dudley area, then Tutbury where he met and married Sarah.
At least you have helped me to eliminate one William, which is always useful to stop false trails. Thanks again,

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Re: The Bennetts of Stourbridge, Dudley - and America!
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 12 March 25 21:50 GMT (UK) »
From 1871, does any of this seem likely or worth following up?

Birth reg. for Edward 1857, MMN Howell.

George Bate married married Mirah Howell, 1856 Old Swinford.
A Myra Bate is in the newspaper 16 May 1857, charged with assault a long with her sisters Ann Hill and Elizabeth Bennett; there is a marriage in Old Swinford of an Elizabeth Howell to John Bennett 19 Mar 1849, both of Stourbridge.
Father Edward Howell both marriages.

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Ward, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

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Re: The Bennetts of Stourbridge, Dudley - and America!
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 12 March 25 22:40 GMT (UK) »
There is this family 1861 in Birmingham

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tp7/

John and Elizabeth, sons Edward and John
All born Stourbridge except John

Reg for a John Isiah Bennett MMN Howell 1860 Q1 Birmingham

Bennetts from Worcestershire above this household with an Ann Hill visiting...? Elizabeth's sister

Possibly another son Thomas Q4 1862 Birmingham
Willsy

Ward, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

Census Transcriptions are Crown Copyright from National Archives

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Re: The Bennetts of Stourbridge, Dudley - and America!
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 12 March 25 23:25 GMT (UK) »
Bap. for John Isaiah, address as census but transcribed as Panter Street

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tp8/

Thomas, Bishops Ryder

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tp9/

Willsy

Ward, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

Census Transcriptions are Crown Copyright from National Archives