Elizabeth ROGERS born 26 Nov 1897 Summerhill, Gwersyllt, Denbighshire

[JamesDMcBust]

Hi
I have a lady in my family tree that I have been searching for on the 1921 census. My closest match is an Elizabeth Annie Rogers living as a domestic servant at Bersham, with couple Issac and Elizabeth Roberts. Family members seem to think this is not her as they say she didn’t go into service, and that she helped one of her brothers in his pub in Wrexham - possibly the Wheatsheaf in Gwersyllt or the New Inn at Cefnybedd.  Elizabeth “Lizzie” Rogers had a great many siblings and half siblings and I’ve tried to find them all in 1921 without finding one running a pub!  Her parents are Daniel Rogers b1847 and Mary Jane Rogers b1867 (second wife of Daniel). Daniel died in 1909.  Can anyone tell me with certainty whether this lady born in Coedpoeth is my family member, and if not where she actually is in 1921?  Thank you for reading this - I look forward to hearing from you.

[CaroleW]

Do you know whether she married & if so - who to & when

Is Coedpoeth in the same area as Gwersyllt

[JamesDMcBust]

Hi Carole
Thanks for responding. Lizzie Rogers married John Thomas Cash b1896 on 1 March 1924 at Gwersyllt.  On Google maps Gwersyllt and Coedpoeth are only four miles apart.
James

[CaroleW]

The entry shows she is living in Bersham - her birthplace on the 1901 census

[JamesDMcBust]

Lizzie’s birthplace on the 1901 and 1911 censuses is given as Summerhill. Her baptism solemnised in the parish of Gwersyllt, abode given as Summerhill.
On the 1921 census, on the image Elizabeth Annie Rogers is shown on the column ‘birthplace and nationality’ as Coedpoeth, Denbighshire. On the transcribed record it shows residential place as Bersham, with residential address Manchester House, Coedpoeth. The birth place is simply given as Denbighshire.

[Cas (stallc)]

I think the Elizabeth Annie Rogers in 1921 you list is likely the daughter of David and Catherine Mary Rogers, nee Abram. Born Oct 1897, married Mr Lloyd in 1922.

Your Elizabeth from birth registration (mmn Jones, reg Mar Q 1898) to census and marriage has no middle name Annie, the above daughter does.

There is a possible in Lancashire, a boarder, working as servant to private employer, born Wrexham age 23 + 7mths. With her birthday being last qtr 1897 it would be a possible fit.

Gwersyllt is just over 2 miles from Wrexham. https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/DEN/Gwersyllt. 

Cas

[JamesDMcBust]

Cas

Thanks for your thoughts.  I had my doubts about Elizabeth Annie Rogers also because of her middle name Annie, which hadn’t appeared on my lady’s baptism or marriage record.

I’d spotted the entry of a similar named / aged lady in Lancashire, but had dismissed it as it so out of the area (and I’d mentioned this to current family members who were sure she never left North Wales as a young woman).

So I’m left wondering did she actually help out/live in with one of her brothers / brothers-in- law / step-brothers in a pub as the family say?  Or was she simply erroneously omitted from the census?

[wilcoxon]

This is the Coedpoeth one.
Name Elizabeth Annie Rogers
Birth Date1897 Baptism Date28 Nov 1897 Baptism Place Minera, Denbighshire,
Father David Morgan Rogers
Mother Catherine Mary Rogers

[wilcoxon]

I think the Elizabeth Annie Rogers in 1921 you list is likely the daughter of David and Catherine Mary Rogers, nee Abram. Born Oct 1897, married Mr Lloyd in 1922.

Your Elizabeth from birth registration (mmn Jones, reg Mar Q 1898) to census and marriage has no middle name Annie, the above daughter does.

There is a possible in Lancashire, a boarder, working as servant to private employer, born Wrexham age 23 + 7mths. With her birthday being last qtr 1897 it would be a possible fit.

Gwersyllt is just over 2 miles from Wrexham. https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/DEN/Gwersyllt. 

Cas

The 1921 census has an employer's address,  transcribed as 190 Winder  Road Oldham.
So could be Elizabeth was just lodging there and not working for the head of the house.