Would Parents be named on NZ marriages

[Lucy2]

Captain Joseph Oakley outlived 3 wives, 2 of them related to me.
One wife was previously married to Charles Dowdell the Mate on the whaler "Dragon"
Charles Dowdell and the crew, except one, were killed and eaten in New Zealand 1832.

His 4 children are from his 3rd wife. They married and died in New Zealand.
Mick

Hi again Mick

Not sure if I've understood you correctly (above ^) ... but his 3rd wife I take it ??  ... was the aforementioned Elizabeth (married 1868) ... later married Ed. WYNN WILLIAMS ... ??

Ooops   ... just re-reading what you'd said, and I've certainly misunderstood it seems  ??
So Joseph in fact had 4 wives ... is that correct ??

His 4 children though, were NOT the issue of his wife Elizabeth (m. 1868) :

They were according to the Tasmanian BDM website the children of his marriage to Amelia ANSON  (1853).

- Sarah Annie - b. 23 May 1854
- Amelia Mary - b. 7 February 1856
- Joseph Richard - b. 8 February 1858   ... all reg. at Hobart
- Julia - b. 15 December 1860 ... reg. at New Norfolk, Tas. (Father : Joseph OAKLEY - licensed victualler, New Norfolk).

Death :  Amelia OAKLEY - 43 years - w/o a licensed victualler - died 28 February 1867 (dist. of New Norfolk, TAS)  -- Informant to death:   Amelia Mary OAKLEY (daughter) of New Norfolk - Reg. 21 March 1867 :

   ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

Reading through the Will of Elizabeth WYNN WILLIAMS (- link posted earlier by minniehaha), I noted that there were obviously no children of her own, but instead bequests had been made to her niece (Amelia Elizabeth nee SKELTON)), a great nephew (Wynn), and a (possible) nephew (Benjamin SKELTON).

I went down a totally wrong path at first  trying to find a link for these relatives, back to Elizabeth.
All a bit odd as this SKELTON family had at least two children with "OAKLEY" appended as a second forename.

Elizabeth's (1868) marriage to Joseph OAKLEY held the possible key, in that Elizabeth's maiden name was WARD ... and the mother of her niece Amelia E. and nephew Benjamin Ernest SKELTON,  Catherine (Kate) OAKLEY, also had the maiden name of WARD.   Sisters then ??

Catherine WARD married Henry SKELTON in 1866 in New Zealand (all their children were born here).

   ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

Elizabeth OAKLEY (nee WARD) m. 1868 TAS.

Trying to find a connection for Elizabeth WARD and Catherine WARD (m. SKELTON 1866).

This newspaper link confirms the SKELTON marriage did take place in Napier, New Zealand (despite a good number of family trees saying they wed in TAS.    )    It seems to indicate that Catherine was formerly of Auckland ??

"Mercury" (Hobart Town) - 12 October 1866  >
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/8842110?searchTerm=HENRY%20SKELTON

Also found this - published shortly after the death of Elizabeth WYNN WILLIAMS https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19340510.2.7.11

Elizabeth apparently had a link with Thames (NZ) .

     ~  Lu

amended to add items

[Lucy2]

Elizabeth WYNN-WILLIAMS -  Obituary

The more you dig, the more you find !!!       (Can't believe I missed this earlier.  Seems it might have been the hyphen in the surname that caused the problem ? )

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19340421.2.136

Just a note in the article ... where it mentions that her 'father returned to Adelaide - and never came back to Auckland'.     He actually died in Auckland 1864 and was buried in the Symonds Street/Grafton cemetery.

    ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

Probate file for Bryant WARD - (father of Elizabeth OAKLEY / WYNN-WILLIAMS nee WARD)

https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE47629704

Oddly this doesn't mention his wife (who didn't die until 1895).    He estate was divided equally between his daughters Elizabeth and Catherine Rose WARD (later Catherine SKELTON).

[Lucy2]

Elizabeth OAKLEY / WYNN-WILLIAMS  :

There are a few online trees for her sister Catherine SKELTON (w/o Henry SKELTON) of Taradale, Hawkes Bay, NZ ... Elizabeth is hardly mentioned as part of the family) - but these trees were helpful in finding Elizabeth's roots.   I'd found some info prior to discovering her obituary.

Elizabeth's mother was also named Catherine, and it seems she went to live in Taradale (near Napier) with the SKELTON family of her namesake daughter.  The following is the entry in the Napier Court House Death Register :   (Abbreviations - at end of text. )

16 JUN - d. Tar - WARD - Catherine - 90 years - d/o HENDREN* - Bur. Tar. - born Dublin, Ireland - in NZ for 52 years -  m. Adelaide*, Sth Aust. at 19 years to Bryant WARD - D. 16 June 1895
--    1M    2F   //

Abbrev.  /  Tar = Taradale  /   1M  2F  = living issue at time of  a person's death (1 male 2 female)  :

^   This appears to be the information which would have been entered on her NZ death certificate.  Name of informant not supplied for this record.   
*  HENDREN ... can't be certain this was correct maiden name.  Online trees have variations of it.
Wasn't able to find a marrage for the couple in South Australia ??   
But did find a possibility in TAS.   Her age at death = bc 1805 :  her age 19 yrs at marriage suggests 1824 ??   
The TAS record found is for 1834 - Parish of Hobart Town in County of Buckingham  --
Bernard (this name also used in family trees) WARD - bachelor - full age - of the parish of Great Swan Port  --   to  --  Catherine HARRAN* - spinster - full age -  of this Parish - by Licence on 18 January 1834.     Catherine signed "x" her mark.    Witnesses :  W. WILLISON - Sandy Bay and John BRYANT - Hobart Town.
[Couldn't see any children born TAS  ?? ...  Elizabeth born NZ 1842].

This is probably all surplus to your requirements (but as it's been "dug up" might as well publish it.  )

   ~  Lu

 

[bikermickau]

Thanks  Lu,
I'm amazed with all that you have found.

Captain Joseph Oakley married 4 times in Tasmania. He only had children with his 3rd wife.
The wives are,
01 Oct 1841 Elizabeth Bradshaw, died 23 Feb 1842, Tasmania (my 1st cousin 3 times removed).
8 Sep 1846 Susannah Bradshaw Jillett, died 1852, Tasmania,  Her 3rd marriage (my 2nd great grand aunt). Aunt of the above Elizabeth Bradshaw.
23 Apr 1853 Amelia Anson, died 1867, Tasmania. Mother with Captain Joseph Oakley of 4 children.
26 Sep 1868 Elizabeth Ward, her 2nd marriage was to Edward Wynn-Williams.

Mick

Captain Joseph Oakley outlived 3 wives, 2 of them related to me.
One wife was previously married to Charles Dowdell the Mate on the whaler "Dragon"
Charles Dowdell and the crew, except one, were killed and eaten in New Zealand 1832.

His 4 children are from his 3rd wife. They married and died in New Zealand.
Mick

Hi again Mick

Not sure if I've understood you correctly (above ^) ... but his 3rd wife I take it ??  ... was the aforementioned Elizabeth (married 1868) ... later married Ed. WYNN WILLIAMS ... ??

Ooops   ... just re-reading what you'd said, and I've certainly misunderstood it seems  ??
So Joseph in fact had 4 wives ... is that correct ??

His 4 children though, were NOT the issue of his wife Elizabeth (m. 1868) :

They were according to the Tasmanian BDM website the children of his marriage to Amelia ANSON  (1853).

- Sarah Annie - b. 23 May 1854
- Amelia Mary - b. 7 February 1856
- Joseph Richard - b. 8 February 1858   ... all reg. at Hobart
- Julia - b. 15 December 1860 ... reg. at New Norfolk, Tas. (Father : Joseph OAKLEY - licensed victualler, New Norfolk).

Death :  Amelia OAKLEY - 43 years - w/o a licensed victualler - died 28 February 1867 (dist. of New Norfolk, TAS)  -- Informant to death:   Amelia Mary OAKLEY (daughter) of New Norfolk - Reg. 21 March 1867 :

   ~  Lu

[bikermickau]

I have purchased the Death Registration for Captain Joseph Oakley died 1893 New Zealand.

Mick

Would be parents be named on NZ marriages, also previous spouses?

New Zealand Government,  New Zealand BDM, bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search.
"1902/1146   Elizabeth   Oakley   Edward Wynn   Williams."

Elizabeth Oakley may be the widow of Captain Joseph Oakley who died 20 Oct 1893 in New Zealand
If so they married 1868 in Tasmania.

Mick

[bikermickau]

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