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Common law marriage?
« on: Sunday 09 March 25 12:20 GMT (UK) »
I have a little mystery that has me puzzled that I hope someone can give some other suggestions as to what might be going on.

Ann Jane Roberts was born in Bootle in 1875 to John and Ann Jane (née Megson) Roberts. In 1881 the family were all in Bootle, including Ann Jane's younger sister Jessie, but in 1891 a 16yo Ann Jane was working as a servant for Sarah Broadgate in Brigg, Lincolnshire, possibly having come over from Bootle with Sarah Broadgate's niece Sarah Duff.

In 1901 she was a servant at Meerbank, a large house in Toxteth Park that's no longer there, where she's listed as married and going by Ann Jane Stacey. Five years later Ann Jane Stacey, now a widow, married George Eden in Bootle, where her father is given as John Roberts, a carter, and one of the witnesses was her younger sister Jessie.

What I haven't found anywhere is a record of Ann Jane marrying a man whose surname was Stacey between 1891 and 1906. The most obvious possibility is of her not having married anyone, but also it's very possible that I just haven't been looking in the right places. There's nothing in the BMD or other marriage records in the Liverpool area that I can see, and the only possible candidates I can see who died between 1901 and 1906 were both above 70, which seems unlikely given Ann Jane would likely have been in her early to mid-20s at the time of the marriage. If there was a Mr Stacey could it be a common law marriage even though they weren't cohabiting?

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Re: Common law marriage?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 09 March 25 13:41 GMT (UK) »
From FamilyLives.org.uk:
Contrary to popular belief, there is no such thing as a ‘common law marriage’. In England and Wales only people who are married, whether of the same sex or not, or those in civil partnerships can rely on the laws about dividing up finances when they divorce or dissolve their marriage.

The assumption by many unmarried couples in a long standing relationship that they have acquired rights similar to those of married couples is wrong. This common misconception needs to be addressed particularly as for many years official statistics show numbers of marriages in decline as more people choose to cohabit (living together without being married).

Many people also believe that by having a child together they acquire legal rights, whether married, in a civil partnership, or not. This is also not true. Although there is scope to apply to court for financial provision when there are children, such orders are made for the benefit of the child and only couples who are married or in a civil partnership acquire legal rights and responsibilities in relation to each other.
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Re: Common law marriage?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 09 March 25 13:46 GMT (UK) »
Is this the marriage on Free BMD

Marriages Dec 1906
Eden    George                W. Derby    8b   427    
STACEY    Ann Jane         W. Derby    8b   427

Edit
no way this is correct, as Ann would have been 10 and wrong middle name, but possible mix up / cross over of couples somewhere a long the lines ???

Marriages Sep 1885
Roberts    Anne Elizabeth         Dewsbury    9b   779    
STACEY    George         Dewsbury    9b   779
Collison & Watts in Headcorn & Hollingborne (Kent UK) & Michigan (USA)
Kavanagh in Wexford (Eire) Michigan & California (USA)
Salisbury, Burls & Vanstone (UK & Gibraltar)

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Re: Common law marriage?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 09 March 25 14:18 GMT (UK) »
A quick google suggests the Stacey surname might have Irish origins. Have you looked for marriages outside England / Wales? A lot of Irish immigrants came to Liverpool area
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott


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Re: Common law marriage?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 09 March 25 14:24 GMT (UK) »
Is this the marriage on Free BMD

Marriages Dec 1906
Eden    George                W. Derby    8b   427    
STACEY    Ann Jane         W. Derby    8b   427

Edit
no way this is correct, as Ann would have been 10 and wrong middle name, but possible mix up / cross over of couples somewhere a long the lines ???

Marriages Sep 1885
Roberts    Anne Elizabeth         Dewsbury    9b   779    
STACEY    George         Dewsbury    9b   779

The Eden-Stacey marriage is correct, but as you say the other one is not.

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Re: Common law marriage?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 09 March 25 14:28 GMT (UK) »
From FamilyLives.org.uk:
Contrary to popular belief, there is no such thing as a ‘common law marriage’. In England and Wales only people who are married, whether of the same sex or not, or those in civil partnerships can rely on the laws about dividing up finances when they divorce or dissolve their marriage.

The assumption by many unmarried couples in a long standing relationship that they have acquired rights similar to those of married couples is wrong. This common misconception needs to be addressed particularly as for many years official statistics show numbers of marriages in decline as more people choose to cohabit (living together without being married).

Many people also believe that by having a child together they acquire legal rights, whether married, in a civil partnership, or not. This is also not true. Although there is scope to apply to court for financial provision when there are children, such orders are made for the benefit of the child and only couples who are married or in a civil partnership acquire legal rights and responsibilities in relation to each other.

I'm more asking if it's likely that they might have been presenting as married, her going by the husband's surname, etc. for whatever reason, even if they never did it legally, for it to have appeared on both the census return and the marriage record.

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Re: Common law marriage?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 09 March 25 14:34 GMT (UK) »
A quick google suggests the Stacey surname might have Irish origins. Have you looked for marriages outside England / Wales? A lot of Irish immigrants came to Liverpool area

That's a good shout but I can't find anything in Ireland or Scotland either.