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FRANCES (FANNY) DOLAN (born 1885 Roscommon)
« on: Sunday 09 March 25 06:34 GMT (UK) »
I am hoping to find out more about my grand-aunt, Frances (Fannjy) Dolan. She was born, or baptised on 1/3/1885 at Castlerea, County Roscommon Ireland to my great-grandparents Michael Dolan and Mary Anne Browne. She was listed in the 1901 Census of Ireland as 16 years old and was known by all as "Fanny" but was not listed in the 1911 Census 10 years later. It was said she left home and was believed to be living in Belfast, Northern Ireland but there is no further information on her available apart from the fact that she left home between 1901 and 1911. I would be very grateful if anyone may have her in their family tree in later years or have any further information as to her whereabouts, possible marriage and death. Thank you.

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Re: FRANCES (FANNY) DOLAN (born 1885 Roscommon)
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 09 March 25 07:16 GMT (UK) »
Researching: Cuthbertson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Australia; Hunter – Co. Derry; Jackson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Canada; Scott – Co. Derry; Neilly – Co. Antrim & USA; McCurdy – Co. Antrim; Nixon – Co. Cavan, Co. Donegal, Canada & USA; Ryan & Noble – Co. Sligo

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Re: FRANCES (FANNY) DOLAN (born 1885 Roscommon)
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 09 March 25 07:21 GMT (UK) »
My apologies, I was aware of that and I have corrected my typo just now.

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Re: FRANCES (FANNY) DOLAN (born 1885 Roscommon)
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 09 March 25 12:03 GMT (UK) »
For reference- daughter Frances Dolan, age 16:
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Roscommon/Castlereagh/Arm/1663995/ (10 children in household)

Parents & 7 children in 1911 census:
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Roscommon/Castlereagh/Arm/763029/ (mother says 11 children/10 living= son Thomas is youngest in both census records)
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Re: FRANCES (FANNY) DOLAN (born 1885 Roscommon)
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 09 March 25 12:53 GMT (UK) »
Correct!
Some time between 1901 and 1911 she left home and is supposed to have settled in Belfast.
This is my quest to find her during that period.

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Re: FRANCES (FANNY) DOLAN (born 1885 Roscommon)
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 09 March 25 13:53 GMT (UK) »
Can't see any Frances or Fanny born Roscommon in 1911 in Co. Antrim or Co. Down around the correct age.

I did find a death in 1903 for a Fanny Dolan (age 18) but in Leixlip- sister Margaret is informant-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1903/05654/4591831.pdf
Possibly this Fanny Dolan-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kildare/Leixlip/North_Salt__Barony_/1437742/

Can't see a marriage in Ireland or death, any sign of Fanny/Frances in Belfast, etc.
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Re: FRANCES (FANNY) DOLAN (born 1885 Roscommon)
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 09 March 25 14:47 GMT (UK) »
Thanks aghadowey. The date fits perfectly and thanks for searching. it does throw up a few considerations though. Frances did not have a sister called Margaret - but she did have a sister called Martha (who was called Mattie). So is Martha a variation of Margaret?
Frances birth cert clearly registers her as "Fanny" and if we dispose of the formal name, Frances, then her death cert fits well and carries the name she was called at birth (Fanny). It would be interesting to see if her actual Baptismal Cert had Fanny also!
It was an assumption among the family members at the time that she let home for Belfast and was never heard of again after that. As it was something that was passed down from one member of the family to another, then there is always the possibility that it was incorrect and not Belfast she went to at all, but perhaps Kildare or Dublin.
So many young Irish girls fell pregnant and had to go elsewhere to have their baby as the Catholic faith was very strong in Ireland in bygone days and several institutions took these young girls in, where they had their child, which was later adopted and the mothers often were prisoners after this and not able to leave the religious institutions. It was regarded as a shame on the family if the Parish Priest heard of such a case and would think nothing of announcing this to the entire parish and to avoid such, these young girls just disappeared at the time.
Perhaps Fanny met with the same fate. I wonder if there was such an institution in Leixlip, and perhaps she died during childbirth. The death cert (if hers) does not elaborate more than just Leixlip as the place of death.

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Re: FRANCES (FANNY) DOLAN (born 1885 Roscommon)
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 09 March 25 14:56 GMT (UK) »
I did find a death in 1903 for a Fanny Dolan (age 18) but in Leixlip- sister Margaret is informant-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1903/05654/4591831.pdf
Possibly this Fanny Dolan-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kildare/Leixlip/North_Salt__Barony_/1437742/
This isn't the right Fanny Dolan but I posted if so that she could be ruled out. Here's that family in 1911-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kildare/Leixlip/Leixlip_Town/540420/
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Re: FRANCES (FANNY) DOLAN (born 1885 Roscommon)
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 19 April 25 05:41 BST (UK) »
On the 1911 census there was a provision for the wife/mother to indicate how many children she had given birth to and how many were alive on Census night.  Mary, the mother, has answered 11 children born and 10 still alive.

OP have you tracked down the births/deaths of the children? Do you know who  the death would be please?

Bewtween 1901 and 1911 these female children are 'missing' from the census records for the parents. Have you found Emma and Mary Jane?

1901
Dolan   Emma   18   Female   Daughter   Roman Catholic
Dolan   Frances   16   Female   Daughter   Roman Catholic
Dolan   Mary Jane   14   Female   Daughter   Roman Catholic

1911
Dolan   Emma   28   Female   Daughter   Roman Catholic
Dolan   Frances   26   Female   Daughter   Roman Catholic
Dolan   Mary Jane   24   Female   Daughter   Roman Catholic