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Re: Brinlack: 1860s, 70s, children of Marie McHUGH, McFADDEN, FERRY?
« Reply #63 on: Thursday 13 March 25 08:13 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Sinann, I thought I understood that but was querying the dates. - one year later.
Is that a regular thing?
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Re: Brinlack: 1860s, 70s, children of Marie McHUGH, McFADDEN, FERRY?
« Reply #64 on: Thursday 13 March 25 08:50 GMT (UK) »
Brilliant thank you both.

As you say Heywood civil and church records are a year apart and seem to have different fathers, neither of whom were present at the birth (Gallagher was)

But, looking back again at the marriage record you posted right at the start, of James Ferry and Mary McFaddon, Feb 1867 is consistent with a birth in Feb 1868 to match the civil record. This record includes (as you pointed out) a Michael Ferry as sponsor and a Neil, which have variously ended up in the different records in Derry. So I suppose all those names might easily have just been given the wrong relationship if they weren't known in Derry.

//www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1867/11484/8221225.pdf

Nelly who has been mentioned before, was born in 1864 to Michael Ferry and Mary, formerly Ferry - maybe it was the same Mary McFadden, although this would have been before they were married. Nelly did seem a close family relative, was known as 'aunt' Nelly.

//www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1864/03616/2334520.pdf

There was a story about one of the Ferrys going to Scotland then the States. This might shed more light. Perhaps James and Michael were away at various points. This would explain seemingly no more children for James after 1868.

There was a Brendan John Ferry perhaps born in Scotland who went to America. He died without family and the family over here didn't know him or know about him, but they were contacted about an inheritance I think. Maybe he was a son of James or Michael. I haven't been able to find him so far.

There is a Michael Ferry who died in Hamilton, Scotland in August 1927 who was from Brinlack. I know there was a Michael, son of Michael Ferry and Cecilia McBride born in Brinlack in 1870. Maybe it was him. I think he had a brother Jacob born in 1870.

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000631955?locale=en#page/104/mode/1up

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Re: Brinlack: 1860s, 70s, children of Marie McHUGH, McFADDEN, FERRY?
« Reply #65 on: Saturday 22 March 25 08:15 GMT (UK) »
A possible explanation on the McHugh/McFadden/Ferry combination of names:

We know that a Mary McFadden, daughter of Charles McFadden married James Ferry in Feb 1867.

I also found in Feb 1875 a Mary McFadden, daughter of Charles McFadden who married a ? McHugh

https://donegalgenealogy.com/tullaghmarrs.htm

I haven't found the original though, so don't know if there were 2 Charles/Mary McFaddens, ie if on that 2nd marriage, Mary was described as a widow or not.

Does this seem a bit far fetched as an idea?

Also in the 1901 census, there is a Patrick McHugh aged 80 with son John McHugh, both widowers (I have been unable to find the death of a Mary McHugh before 1901 though) and 3 children including an Ellen McHugh. She might even be the Nelly I am looking for. /https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000657691/

Can anyone help with verifying any of this, or giving their thoughts?

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Re: Brinlack: 1860s, 70s, children of Marie McHUGH, McFADDEN, FERRY?
« Reply #67 on: Saturday 22 March 25 08:47 GMT (UK) »
Wow thank you, it does say that she's a widow, fits with the theory :)

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Re: Brinlack: 1860s, 70s, children of Marie McHUGH, McFADDEN, FERRY?
« Reply #68 on: Saturday 22 March 25 08:48 GMT (UK) »
The only problem with it though is that she's recorded as McFadden, her maiden name, and not Ferry. But she could have reverted to her maiden name after James died I guess. I couldn't find a death for James, but it could have been in Scotland.

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Re: Brinlack: 1860s, 70s, children of Marie McHUGH, McFADDEN, FERRY?
« Reply #69 on: Saturday 22 March 25 08:56 GMT (UK) »
Does it say though under that record that Mary is the widow of James McFadden, in which case this doesn't work as we should have a Ferry somewhere :(

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Re: Brinlack: 1860s, 70s, children of Marie McHUGH, McFADDEN, FERRY?
« Reply #70 on: Saturday 22 March 25 09:29 GMT (UK) »
The witness to her mark is James McFadden - as is the priest so same person perhaps.
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Re: Brinlack: 1860s, 70s, children of Marie McHUGH, McFADDEN, FERRY?
« Reply #71 on: Saturday 22 March 25 09:44 GMT (UK) »
Ah ok thank you, I see, that's very helpful.

Do you think it's conceivable she just used her maiden name, and this is the same Mary McFadden who married James Ferry?

I think there might be church marriage records for Tullaghobegly West for this period too, according to this source (I've sent him a message asking about them, but haven't heard back yet): https://johngrenham.com/records/church.php?civilparishid=794&civilparish=Tullaghobegly&search_type=full