Brinlack: 1860s, 70s, children of Marie McHUGH, McFADDEN, FERRY?

[heywood]

Thanks - I knew I had seen Neil as a father somewhere.

There is a tree (yours?) which has a child -Michael Ferry b 1870 to Michael Ferry and Cecilia McBride.
 The tree has Michael as half brother to Catherine (Kitty) and Nelly Ferry.

Nelly’s parents 1864 are Michael Ferry and Mary Ferry
Michael Ferry 1870 - as above are Michael and Shelah McBride

Michael Ferry, son of Paddy, and Cecilia McBride married 1867 . He was a bachelor.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1867/11484/8221228.pdf

[heywood]

I'm just looking for absolute confirmation really. At the moment I'm working on certain hypotheses. Agnes Quigley and Michael Lynch are certainties, so I can work back from them.

Agnes definitely had a Kitty Ferry who was her mother, but there were probably a few Catherine Ferrys so I just need to confirm which is the right one through burial records, census or any record where I can match up dates etc properly.

If Agnes and Michael Lynch is certain, do you have the marriage certificate with her father’s name?
That would be your starting point.
Sorry, if already posted.

[colee]

No worries, here it is

[colee]

So the problem with Catherine is that the birth to parents Michael and Mary is in 1869, but the burial with Robert Quigley from Racecourse places her birth in 1865.

[colee]

And sorry to answer your question Heywood, yes, that sounds like the Ancestry tree I'm working on.

[heywood]

As I wrote before and lots on here will agree, ages are just not reliable.

Compare Robert and Catherine Quigley in 1901 and 1911
Robert - 30 yrs and 42 yrs
Catherine - 28 yrs and 42 yrs

They were both ‘full age’ on marriage in 1889

Robert was born 1869.

[colee]

ok, I'm checking handed down info to see if I can verify whether Kitty lived in the Racecourse Rd area.

[aghadowey]

1901 census- Shortallon (all born Derry): Robert Quigley (30), wife Kate (28) & children Hugh (10), Mary (8 yrs.), Cassie (6), Louie (1), Eliza (1).
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Lower_Liberties/Shortallon/1538654/
1911 census- Shantallow (Kate born Donegal): Robert Quigley (42), wife Kate (42) & children Hugh (20), Mary (18), Cassie (16), Bridget Louisa (14), Lillie (11), Jane Josephine (9), Agnes (7), John Francis.
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Liberties__Lower/Shantallow/604775/

Note- death of Agnes’ next oldest sister.
Derry Journal, 2 May 1975: QUIGLEY- 27th April, 1975 at her residence 7 Greenhaw Tec., Steelstown Road, Jean Josephine (Jenny), daughter of the late Robert and Catherine Quigley, Racecourse Road. R.I.P. Funeral _ to City Cemetery on ...

Derry City Cemetery:
Hugh Quigley, age 66, Racecourse Road Shantallow, born Derry, died 10 Oct.1957, plot M C 73, parents- Robert & Catherine Quigley.
In same plot is Robert Quigley, age 1 yr. 3 mo., Bogslea, born Bogslea, died 19 Sept.1910, parents- Robert & Catherine Quigley.
Birth: Robert James Quigley 19 Apr.1909 Racecourse-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1909/01613/1646905.pdf
Death: Robert James Quigley 19 Sept.1910 Shantallow-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1910/05412/4512235.pdf
Note: 1911 census says there were 9 children but only 8 living so Robert is the deceased child.

Agnes’s birth certificate (1904) lists parents as Robert Quigley & Catherine Ferry. Agnes’ age fits with 1911 census.
Agnes (Quigley) married Michael Lynch in 1930 (certificate lists father as Robert Quigley and her residence as Racecourse). She died 1960 (age fits with birth certificate).

Headstone for Robert & Catherine Quigley gives her death as 17 Aug.1958 age 93. Derry City Cemetery records have same details & lists birthplace as Donegal but list parents as Neil & Susan Ferry.

Death notice also confirms date of death: Derry Standard, 18 Aug.1958: QUIGLEY - August 17, 1958, at her residence, Racecourse Road, Shantallow, Catherine, widow of Robert Quigley R I.P Her remains will be removed to-day (Monday) at 7 pm, to St. Patrick’s ...

Headstone & Cemetery records indicate birth c1865. 1901 census age 28 so born c1873. 1911 census age 42 so born c1869. So, this range is only 8 years (nothing unusual for Ireland at this time period)

I know from extensive research with the cemetery records that there are sometimes error although difficult to say if mistakes came from informant or cemetery staff. Catherine’s husband Robert Quigley died before her so informant for age on death and parents & age in cemetery records could have been one of her children. That person might not have known the correct names for Catherine’s parents or her exact date/year of birth.

[aghadowey]

ok, I'm checking handed down info to see if I can verify whether Kitty lived in the Racecourse Rd area.

Why would you doubt this?
Agnes' marriage certificate (1930) lists Racecourse Road and Agnes' birth says Racecourse.
Daughter Jean Josephine Quigley's death notice gives parents as "late Robert and Catherine Quigley, Racecourse Road."
Birth for son Robert (1909) gives Racecourse.
Lots of newspaper recorts over the years such as this one-
Londonderry Sentinel, 14 Nov.1962: Youths fined for ‘worst ever’ language ...  Robert Quigley, aged 17, Racecourse Road, Shantallow; and a 16 years' old juvenile. Constable Cryan said that while on his way home he heard shouting ...

Racecourse/Shantallow listed on numerous other records.
You can see the area of Shantallow townland here with Racecourse Road running right through it-
https://www.townlands.ie/londonderry/north-west-liberties-of-londonderry/templemore/liberties-lower/shantallow/