Brinlack: 1860s, 70s, children of Marie McHUGH, McFADDEN, FERRY?

[colee]

Fantastic, yes that's amazing to see, great find!

And thank you KG for the link to the cemetery database, I'm doing some searches.

In the cemetery there seems only one Catherine Quigley with Ferry parents though, named as Neil and Catherine. Also gives her age as 93 in 1958, giving her an approx year of birth of 1865.

This doesn't match the Catherine Ferry I found before who was born in 1869 in Gweedore to parents Micheal Ferry and Maria McFadden.

[colee]

There was also an 'Aunt' Nelly in the family who lived in Gweedore, I've found a Nelly Ferry born in Brinlack, with the earlier Michael and Mary Ferry as parents we were looking at.

Nelly Ferry
Gender   Female
Birth Date   25 May 1864
Birth Place   Crossroads, Donegal, Ireland
Father   Michael Ferry
Mother   Mary Ferry

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1864/03616/2334520.pdf

[heywood]

That birth for Nelly Ferry shows the mother as formerly Ferry not McFadden.

There are a few things here to keep in mind.
Recorded ages are not always reliable. It depends on the informant’s knowledge on the record and even if the age was provided by the person themselves, that could be unreliable as age did not matter that much.
Similarly, names recorded much later depend on memory.

Unfortunately the parish records for Tullaghobegley West/Gweedore cover a very short period so baptisms and civil births often cannot be compared.

[shanreagh]

So I can see on Griffiths that in Brinlack there are plenty of McHughs, McFaddens and Ferrys, just a case of unravelling who is who (not easy though I imagine). As I'm new to the source, is there a significance to the numbering in the first column. And I guess the first name in brackets indicates which elder male family member the next generation belongs to, ie would they necessarily be brothers? Many thanks for any help deciphering the info.

https://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/z/zoomifyDynamicViewer.php?file=067100&path=./pix/067/&showpage=1&mysession=2963927792572&width=&height=&debug=

This link does not work.  Could you let us know whose record you were searching for when you comment
'And I guess the first name in brackets indicates which elder male family member the next generation belongs to, ie would they necessarily be brothers?'

I am a little confused by this statement as the records I have downloaded from Griffiths usually have these headings along the top

No & leters of map ref     Townlands and Occupiers     Intermediate lessors   Descrn of tenement etc

The intermediate lessors lease the land to the people named as occupiers. 

In the north the intermediate lessors were often London based livery companies or Guilds eg Fishmongers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livery_company
https://friels.ie/the-mercers-company/

Even where named individuals are holding the land as occupier and intermediate lessor a relationship by name or family cannot be assumed. That would be fair too easy!

[shanreagh]

You can use Griffiths to find out the names etc of people who were holding land in a named townland at the time the valauation was carried out.

If you go to Grifths and switch to the heading place names

then enter Brinlack

you will see a list of 88 names including generous helpings of McHughs, Ferrys and McFaddens

Going to the 1901/11 censuses you can search by townland ie Brinlack to see who was there. in 1901 425 people are recorded including McHughs etc. in 1911 there were 488. This does not mean that there were many more people there than recorded in Griffiths. The Census recorded everyone, Griffiths the landholder/occupier.

[colee]

Thank you Shanreagh for your reply and for taking me back to Griffiths for a closer look.

Apologies for the confusion. I was talking about the names in italics/brackets. So on the attached screenshot there are 3 male Ferrys with Owen in brackets after their names (Neal, Michael and Patrick) and then Patrick with Michael after his. Does this indicate for example that Neal, Michael and Patrick were brothers?

The entry with Michael is interesting, as there appears to be only one Michael Ferry in Brinlack at that time - the Michael here at 'f' showing house and land, and the Ml. over the page with just land. That may be helpful for pinning down the Michael who married Mary and may have been the parents of Catherine/Kitty Ferry the mother of Agnes.

[heywood]

It’s likely the father’s name.
In my ancestors’ place you have entries such as Pat (Tom) and Pat (Andy) to distinguish two families with the same surname.
In your list therefore, you have Patrick son of Michael and Patrick son of Owen.

[heywood]

Are you still looking for Catherine/Kate daughter of Michael?

Is Catherine Ferry who married Robert Quigley now discounted as mother of Agnes?
This would then discount Agnes Quigley who married Michael Lynch, I think.

Somewhere, perhaps cemetery records, I am sure I also saw a Neil and Susan recorded as parents of someone - confusing
Added
The cemetery record has John and Susan

[colee]

I'm just looking for absolute confirmation really. At the moment I'm working on certain hypotheses. Agnes Quigley and Michael Lynch are certainties, so I can work back from them.

Agnes definitely had a Kitty Ferry who was her mother, but there were probably a few Catherine Ferrys so I just need to confirm which is the right one through burial records, census or any record where I can match up dates etc properly.

I found the burials of a Kitty and husband Robert Quigley in Derry City (the memorial was on another tree on Ancestry), this is the family from Racecourse. This Robert died in 1939 aged 68 and Catherine died in 1958 aged 93. According to the burial info, this Catherine has parents Neil and Catherine Ferry.

I was told from handed down info that Catherine/Kitty was married to a John Quigley (ie not Robert), but that could be an error.