Routledge Terrace, Ryhope

[Anne Chan]

In 1891 my grandfather was living in Routledge Terrace, Ryhope. He and his mother lived in other Ryhope streets which I've found on the NLS online 25" OS maps, but I've been unable to find Routledge Terrace, and wondered whether anyone could help, please.
(Incidentally, my grandfather died in 1913 as a result of accidentally falling downstairs at his home in Hugh Terrace after 2 glasses of beer and a small port!)

[Spelk]

Anne, I cannot find it either. What are the names of the streets before and after it in the census. The name might have been changed or Routledge Terrace may have.e been just what the locals called it which the map makers were not aware of or did not care.
My uncle said he was born at Vinegar Hill in Ryhope which he indicated was just an area known as that to the locals, I have never found Vinegar Hill on a map of Ryhope,
There are obviously Irish connections and there were Irish in Ryhope as witnessed by the fights mentioned in the newspapers. 

[maddys52]

There are a number of newspaper references to "Routledge Terrace, Ryhope Colliery".

[Spelk]

Following a newspaper item I looked for Robert TROTTER in the 1891 census. He lived at no. 22 Routledge Terrace born about 1844 IIRC.
Census places go
! Leechmere Hall
3 Leechmere Grounds
Silksworth Gate House
1 to 25 Routledge Terrace
1 Hollicarrsides etc

Still could not find on a map. May be one of the streets not named and long since demolished.

[Sc00p]

I think it was renamed Hollycarr Terrace in the 1890's.  In 1902 George Cowey lost his dog and gave his address for it's return as 7 Hollycarr Terrace.  In 1891 the family was enumerated at 7 Routledge Terrace.  On the 1895 OS map it appears to be a 25 household terrace matching the earlier find

...
Silksworth Gate House
1 to 25 Routledge Terrace
1 Hollicarrsides etc
...

[maddys52]

Good find sc00p. I looked at Holliccarr Terrace on that map yesterday and saw that it had 25 dwellings, the same as Routledge Terrace on the 1891 census, but just wasn't sure if it had been renamed. Well done.

[*Sandra*]

I think it was renamed Hollycarr Terrace in the 1890's.  In 1902 George Cowey lost his dog and gave his address for it's return as 7 Hollycarr Terrace.  In 1891 the family was enumerated at 7 Routledge Terrace.  On the 1895 OS map it appears to be a 25 household terrace matching the earlier find

...
Silksworth Gate House
1 to 25 Routledge Terrace
1 Hollicarrsides etc
...

Great find. 

[Anne Chan]

Thank you so much everyone for all your help. That Routledge Terrace was renamed Hollycarr Terrace certainly seems to be the answer to my question. And when I checked on the house numbers, I found that my grandfather was living at 16 Routledge Terrace in 1891, then at 16 Hollycarr Terrace in 1901, so hadn't moved house as I'd imagined.
Spelk mentioned Vinegar Hill. "What’s in a name: Street names of Sunderland" says that Harvey Terrace, Hollycarr Terrace, Hugh Terrace, Leechmere Terrace, Powell Terrace, Sidney Terrace, South View, Streatfield Terrace, Sunderland Terrace and West Terrace were all miners' cottages, no longer in being, that were in an area of Ryhope known as Vinegar Hill. 'They rank as an important part of the village's mining history, however.'
Once again, many thanks to you all.

[Spelk]

Yes Rober Ttrotter who was in 1891 at 22 Routledge Terrace is in 22 Hollicar Terrace in 1911. Interesting stuff about Vinegar Hill. I need to check what road uncle was born in.

Edit - My family were in Baden Terrace in 1911 and Burdon Street in 1921. I guess Baden Terrace may have been in Vinegar Hill  area. Uncle told me Ryhope was in four parts : the Village, the Colliery, Vinegar Hill and Cauldknuckle (spelling guessed).
Looking at a 1939 map Baden Terrace is in the middle of those mentioned above as being Vinegar Hill. There are others not included in the list above. I would attach screen grab but not sure how on tablet.