Author Topic: Marriage of John MacGown and Marie Grossart 1600 Clackmannan, Scotland.  (Read 280 times)

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Can anyone help with reading this record? I can just about make out John MacGown(?) and Marie Grossart as the couple, but can't decipher if there is any other relevant information there. I think I can see another name. Any expert help gratefully received.
Many thanks.

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Re: Marriage of John MacGown and Marie Grossart 1600 Clackmannan, Scotland.
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 04 March 25 16:02 GMT (UK) »
You haven't attached the document
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Carlin (Ireland & Liverpool) Doughty & Wright (Liverpool) Dick & Park (Scotland & Liverpool)

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Re: Marriage of John MacGown and Marie Grossart 1600 Clackmannan, Scotland.
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 05 March 25 11:58 GMT (UK) »
Sorry, classic mistake of not attaching document!
Here it is.

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Re: Marriage of John MacGown and Marie Grossart 1600 Clackmannan, Scotland.
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 05 March 25 18:16 GMT (UK) »
                                 the 26 of october 1600
The q[uhi]lk (= which) day compeirit (= appeared) Johne macgowne tailzeour (= tailor) in Saw-
chie (= Sauchie) and marie Grossar y[air] (= there) and desyrit (= desired) thair (= their) banes (=
                                                                                                                                       banns)
of mariage to be proclamit (= proclaimed) and for ordour (= order) keiping (= keeping)
in all poy[n]tis (= points) the said Johne hes (= has) fund (= found) Ro[ber]t andersone
in righend (= Rigend) cautioner for him selfe and the said marie
grossar fand (= found) James Quhyt (= White/Whyte) pyper (= piper) cautioner for hir (= her)
under the paine (= penalty) of ten pu[n]dis (= pounds) the p[air]tie (= party) breker (= breaker)
                                                                                                                          and co[n]fir-
matioune (= confirmation) to be maid (= made) in su[m] (= some/certain) of the elderis (= elders')
                                                                                               handis (= hands) of the said ba-
ronie (= barony) of Sawchie aither (= either) of ten pu[n]did or of a []ood* mor (= more) the[n?]
                                                                                                                               (= than)
y[a]t (= that) pryce (= price) for the [the next word is unfinished and scored out] brydell (= bridal)
                           Lawing (= contribution to a wedding feast) in caice (= case) it extend the pryce
set doune (= down) be (= by) the sessioune (= session)

In the margin it says:

Mary(i)t (= married)
ye 2 of
december
1600

The couple have given their names up to be proclaimed in order to marry. They have also each found someone to be cautioner or surety that they will marry within forty days and have no scandal attached to the wedding (order keeping). It is also to be a "penny bridal", where each guest makes a contribution (lawing) to the wedding feast (bridal). The kirk wanted such contributions to be limited, so the couple have given some of the kirk elders written confirmation of the amount they would ask the guests to contribute. If the marriage doesn't take place within forty days or there is scandal attached to it, the cautioners will have to pay the penalty of £10 Scots (16/8d Sterling). If the guests pay more towards the bridal feast than agreed with the session, the £10 penalty will be increased a little.

* I can't think what this word is. The start of it is hidden by the letter above. It obviously means "a bit" - a bit more.


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Re: Marriage of John MacGown and Marie Grossart 1600 Clackmannan, Scotland.
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 06 March 25 10:04 GMT (UK) »
Thank you so much, GR2. That is very useful information.