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Re: Possible burial?
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 05 March 25 15:23 GMT (UK) »
I usually (especially if I've had to jump through hoops to pin it down) add a transcription of the info to the index entry  on FreeBMD, as a 'postem' by clicking on the Red Info button and following the instructions.
if you look at
Deaths Q3 1853 Grace Thompson 10a 300 and click on the little envelope icon you can see what I mean

Though its by no means obligatory, some folk do some don't, but these postems may well help others in the future
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Re: Possible burial?
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 05 March 25 22:04 GMT (UK) »
I have found a theory (unproven without the death register entry) for the Death of Hannah HUNT (nee Nattrass)

As per this is long (I could never be accused of being brief)
Daughter of William Hunt and Hannah
with her family on 1841 and 1851 census
1841 census P313/bk15/f24/p42 Wingate, Co Durham P313/Bk14/F24/p42

Mary age 8 (not born in county)

1851 census P2392/353/27
Mary, age 18, born Heworth (which IS in Co Durham)

She's not with her family in the 1861 census

1854 FreeBMD Marriages
Has a John HUTCHISON (note not Hutchinson) and a Mary Ann Hunt Q1 1854 Sunderland 10a 423
Marriage Locator does not return a church venue for this vol and page no so I assume it was a Registrar's Office marriage
Sunderland Registrars site index search has the same marriage ref CO19Bk7/453

1861 census P3746/F39/30 Haswell
John HutchiNson age 33 born Houghton le Spring
wife Mary            age 27 born Gateshead (Heworth was in Gateshead Civil reg District)
son William       age  3 born Easington -Check GRO births  - William Hutchinson, Q1 1858  Easington 10a 64, mmn HUNT

1871 census P4970/F70/p70
Dad, Mam and William all match the details in the 1861 census
and the new additions are
Jane age 9, born Haswell - check GRO births -Jane Ann Hutchinson Q3 Easington 10a 319 mmn HUNT
Mary E, age 2 born Haswell - check GRO births Mary Ellen Hutchinson Q1  Easington 10a  399 mmn HUNT

1879 GRO Deaths Mary Hannah HUNT Q4 Sunderland 10a 307, age 74
Though there is an additional forename
 I can't find a death for a plain 'Hannah' Hunt in the right time frame so maybe her birth forenames were Mary Hannah and she was known as Hannah - its a possibility to consider in the absence of any other possibles

1879 St Paul, Ryhope Burials (transcript only, I don't have an image)
18 Nov 1879 Mary Hannah Hunt of 13 Bell St, age 74
age checks out and given the 1881 census for her daughter and son in law below this looks likely

1881 census P4999/F6/p5 13 Bell St Ryhope Hutchinson Household
Though only initials for forenames are used this matches with the 1871 census  for the Hutchinson family

Check through this carefully, but it 'feels' right to me.
Can't document feelings though, so the £3 digital image of Mary Hannah's death register would be the only way to confirm it, fingers crossed the informant is a known relative .

Boo

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Re: Possible burial?
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 06 March 25 09:15 GMT (UK) »
Fantastic theory and research, Boo.
Probably the likeliest answer to the Hannah problem.

1854 FreeBMD Marriages
Has a John HUTCHISON (note not Hutchinson) and a Mary Ann Hunt Q1 1854 Sunderland 10a 423

Marriage announcement in the Durham County Advertiser, 31 March 1854
At Bishopwearmouth Church, on the 25th inst., Mr John Hutchinson to Miss Mary Ann Hunt.

Partially transcribed on FamilySearch
Mary Ann was 21, father William Hunt
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NXG2-3CK

maybe her birth forenames were Mary Hannah and she was known as Hannah

I think maybe this is her baptism at Alston, 29 April 1809
Hannah (daughter of) Ralph and Mary Natrass (nee Waugh)
Born 4 April 1809
Father a Miner
Abode Nenthead
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/58180d46e93790ec8ba48437

This matches her age in the census (born 1809/10) and place of birth (Nenthead / Alston)
Info given on death records is not always totally accurate, as we know.

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Re: Possible burial?
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 06 March 25 10:30 GMT (UK) »

maybe her birth forenames were Mary Hannah and she was known as Hannah

I think maybe this is her baptism at Alston, 29 April 1809
Hannah (daughter of) Ralph and Mary Natrass (nee Waugh)
Born 4 April 1809
Father a Miner
Abode Nenthead
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/58180d46e93790ec8ba48437

This matches her age in the census (born 1809/10) and place of birth (Nenthead / Alston)
Info given on death records is not always totally accurate, as we know.

when I click that link I am getting a record with totally different dates (born 26 Feb, bapt 5 Mar )and the baptism took place at  Stanhope St John's Chapel ?

Boo


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Re: Possible burial?
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 06 March 25 10:34 GMT (UK) »
There were two of them?
I must have given the wrong one. Maybe this one!
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5817f43ee93790ec8b775039

Ralph is a good name for her father.

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Re: Possible burial?
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 06 March 25 11:06 GMT (UK) »
thanks, its a definite possible for her baptism :-) The parents'names match with those of William and Hannah Hunt's children which is a good plus point

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Re: Possible burial?
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 06 March 25 17:04 GMT (UK) »
Boo I dont know how to thank you! Ive just ordered the image from the GRO and its come up a result!
Ill post the image here, but if its not allowed ill remove it.

William and Hannahs daughter, Mary Ann married John Hutchinson in 1854.

Fantastic detective skills. And thank you to everyone else that helped with the initial query.

Many thanks.
David.
Northants - Stevenson, Smith, Spriggs, Hight, Dodson, Coleman
Swansea - Thomas, Williams, Howell, David, Rees, Griffiths, Jenkins, Bevan
Rutland - Hales
Derbyshire - Harlow, Riley, Pemberton, Aldred
Yorkshire - Stamper, Boyes, Duke
London - Harper, Wallis
Essex - Shelford, Wallis, Read, Stanes
Hertfordshire - Bishop
Cornwall - Johns, Soper, Rowe, Ball, Webb, Dunn, Quintrell, Hain, Oliver
Gloucestershire - Harper, Ash, Gregory, Denman
County Durham - Proud, Duke
Yorkshire - Stamper, Pickering

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Re: Possible burial?
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 06 March 25 17:27 GMT (UK) »
Really pleased that register entry gave you two dabs of glue to tie up the bits n pieces of my theory together, both that she was the widow of William Hunt, a miner and the mother in law of John Hutchinson.

though marriage locator https://one-name.org/marriage-locator/ didn't bring up a church for John Hutchinson and Mary Hunt's marriage jonwrrn's find of a partial transcript in Family Search which says her Dad was William means that 'may' have been a non conformist (registrar attended) marriage rather than a register office one and that is an extra dab of that glue to tie it all together.

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Re: Possible burial?
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 06 March 25 17:55 GMT (UK) »
Really appreciate the help. Jonwarrn thank you too! Great detective skills!
Northants - Stevenson, Smith, Spriggs, Hight, Dodson, Coleman
Swansea - Thomas, Williams, Howell, David, Rees, Griffiths, Jenkins, Bevan
Rutland - Hales
Derbyshire - Harlow, Riley, Pemberton, Aldred
Yorkshire - Stamper, Boyes, Duke
London - Harper, Wallis
Essex - Shelford, Wallis, Read, Stanes
Hertfordshire - Bishop
Cornwall - Johns, Soper, Rowe, Ball, Webb, Dunn, Quintrell, Hain, Oliver
Gloucestershire - Harper, Ash, Gregory, Denman
County Durham - Proud, Duke
Yorkshire - Stamper, Pickering