Johanna Specht-Germany/Greenock

[ValJJJ]

Male German nationals were interred in WW1, but not sure about women. Perhaps not seen as a threat? Also would her marriage change her nationality automatically? 

I had great success with a male German national due to Red Cross records, enabling me to discover the exact place of birth.

ADD: Also daughter (Rosa)lina - where was she in WW1; would she have been interred?

[JakeMcGhee]

The surname Specht is so very unusual in Scotland, so my curiosity was aroused by the Rosina Magdalin SPECHT born in 1892 Greenock East.
What do you know about this person?

I am certain that this Rosina is the Granddaughter of Johanna Specht, as Johannas' Daughter, who is also named Rosina, is listed as the Mother (Rosina Magdelin Specht is the full name of Mother listed) Rosina (Born. 1892) is listed as being illegitimate, and as such, no Father is listed, what I find odd, is that her Mother Rosina (Born around 1873) goes by the surname Specht, instead of Moyer, so perhaps she was also an illegitimate child of Johanna? and William Moyer was not the Father? as she would have been born around 8 years before Johanna married William Moyer.

[Neale1961]

The surname Specht is so very unusual in Scotland, so my curiosity was aroused by the Rosina Magdalin SPECHT born in 1892 Greenock East.
What do you know about this person?

I am certain that this Rosina is the Granddaughter of Johanna Specht, as Johannas' Daughter, who is also named Rosina, is listed as the Mother (Rosina Magdelin Specht is the full name of Mother listed) Rosina (Born. 1892) is listed as being illegitimate, and as such, no Father is listed, what I find odd, is that her Mother Rosina (Born around 1873) goes by the surname Specht, instead of Moyer, so perhaps she was also an illegitimate child of Johanna? and William Moyer was not the Father? as she would have been born around 8 years before Johanna married William Moyer.

OK, that’s very interesting. I think you are probably right, she was the illegitimate daughter of Johanna. i wonder where she was in 1881 when Johanna was in Hull.

Have a look at this possible birth and baptism. Lots would fit with your specht family.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VHQF-B9C?lang=en

[ValJJJ]

The town hall of a small place like this (Forchtenberg) quoted in the ref from Neale1961 could help?

I was given a lot of information about my German relative. He was illegitimate so their records gave the name of mother and her father. The record was also kept updated with a later marriage in Germany.

I enquired first with simple sentences using Google translate German. The person at the town hall realised the Gothic script would add to the difficulty so kindly translated it all.

[JakeMcGhee]

The town hall of a small place like this (Forchtenberg) quoted in the ref from Neale1961 could help?

I was given a lot of information about my German relative. He was illegitimate so their records gave the name of mother and her father. The record was also kept updated with a later marriage in Germany.

I enquired first with simple sentences using Google translate German. The person at the town hall realised the Gothic script would add to the difficulty so kindly translated it all.

Hello Val

Thank you very much for letting me know this! this certainly seems like something that could be very useful, how did you get into contact with the town hall in Germany that related to you? if you do not mind my asking

[ValJJJ]

I think I just looked up the town, then the town hall (RatHaus?) and emailed the contact there using Google translate to do it in German. Hopefully it was proper German. Anyway, did the trick.

Add: just googled the town and got this https://www.forchtenberg.de/startseite  Don't know how many towns have the same name though...

[aghadowey]

I think I just looked up the town, then the town hall (RatHaus?) and emailed the contact there using Google translate to do it in German. Hopefully it was proper German. Anyway, did the trick.

Add: just googled the town and got this https://www.forchtenberg.de/startseite  Don't know how many towns have the same name though...

Here's the map and if you zoom out it will show more of the area-
https://www.forchtenberg.de/unsere-stadt/lage-anfahrt/ortsplan

[Neale1961]

Reposting this from reply #3, as it seems to have been missed.

Where and when was the son William Moyer born in USA?
There is a male child born at sea, onboard “Revello”, on 21 Jan 1884, to William Moyer and Annie Spect.
Is this him, or a different son?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XT8Q-1HY?lang=en

[JakeMcGhee]

Reposting this from reply #3, as it seems to have been missed.

Where and when was the son William Moyer born in USA?
There is a male child born at sea, onboard “Revello”, on 21 Jan 1884, to William Moyer and Annie Spect.
Is this him, or a different son?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XT8Q-1HY?lang=en

Hello Neale,

This part is a tad confusing, as a 2 month old William Moyer is reported to have passed away on the Revello in March 1884, along with a 38 year William Moyer in June, also on the Revello, the elder William is listed as being from Pennsylvania, and occupation being "Cook & Steward" which would match up with the marriage record where he was described as being a "Ships Cook", So I believe you would agree that the William Moyer & Annie Specht Moyer, that were on the Revello are most likely the William & Johanna I have been researching. Now all I can think of is maybe after 2 month old William passed away, Johanna fell pregnant again, before William Sr passed away, as I have the marriage record located in Greenock 1905, for a "William Moyers Reid " aged 22, whos' parents are listed as William Moyers & Johanna Reid, previously Moyers & Specht. I also have William on the 1901 census living with William Reid, Johanna, and his half-siblings James, Johanna and Francis, as well as a few Borders, with his place of birth being listed as "America"

Kind regards,
Jake