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FORSHAW Brothers in WWII
« on: Friday 28 February 25 17:26 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

I'm trying to help my Dad find out more about two of his uncles:

David Henry FORSHAW (known as Bert)
B. 5th October 1924 in Bentley, South Yorkshire.
D. 12th November 1997.

Derick FORSHAW
B. 16th December 1925 in Bently, South Yorkshire.
M. 14th December 1946 in Earlestown, Lancashire.
M. Second marriage in the 70s.
D. 10th June 1991 in Peterhead, Scotland.

Note that the Forshaw brothers' parents were from Haydock and Newton-le-Willows, Lancashire.

The Forshaw family was still in Bentley, South Yorkshire, when my nana was born in February 1929.
The whole family was definitely back in Newton-le-Willows by October 1937, though. I don't know when exactly they returned.

I've included photos from Derick's wedding, which show the two brothers in uniform.

Were Derick and Bert born too late for me to be able to find much out? I'm not sure what to do. I'm not sure if it's even possible to find out the service numbers of these two men.

Any help/advise appreciated.

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ASPEY: Wirral & Tarvin, CHS
BARNETT: Hulme, Manchester & Oldham, LAN
BLACK: Grasmere, WES & Prescot, LAN
COTTAM, HEATON & LITTLER: Ashton-in-Makerfield, LAN
DIEHL: Germany & LAN
FORSHAW: Haydock, LAN
HARRISON: Newton-le-Willows, Haydock & Parr, LAN
JACKSON: Newton-le-Willows, LAN & Somerford Booths, CHS
PARKINSON: LAN
PHILLIPS: Chester, CHS & Manchester, LAN
MADDOCKS: WLS, CHS & LAN
ROSCOE: Sutton/Prescot, LAN

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Re: FORSHAW Brothers in WWII
« Reply #1 on: Friday 28 February 25 17:27 GMT (UK) »
A better photo of Derick.
ASPEY: Wirral & Tarvin, CHS
BARNETT: Hulme, Manchester & Oldham, LAN
BLACK: Grasmere, WES & Prescot, LAN
COTTAM, HEATON & LITTLER: Ashton-in-Makerfield, LAN
DIEHL: Germany & LAN
FORSHAW: Haydock, LAN
HARRISON: Newton-le-Willows, Haydock & Parr, LAN
JACKSON: Newton-le-Willows, LAN & Somerford Booths, CHS
PARKINSON: LAN
PHILLIPS: Chester, CHS & Manchester, LAN
MADDOCKS: WLS, CHS & LAN
ROSCOE: Sutton/Prescot, LAN

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Re: FORSHAW Brothers in WWII
« Reply #2 on: Friday 28 February 25 20:07 GMT (UK) »
David is wearing RAF Other Ranks Tunic.

Get an image of his death certificate png, pdf or jpg and use the .GOV online method to apply for a copy of his service record from RAF.

All you need is month and year of birth Oct 1924 and the digital image of proof of death ready to be uploaded.

You do not need a service number Disclosures will find that from name and birth.

At the moment RAF Disclosures are hitting a service record being sent in between 35 hours and 6 weeks from online form submission.

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Re: FORSHAW Brothers in WWII
« Reply #3 on: Friday 28 February 25 20:16 GMT (UK) »
David is wearing RAF Other Ranks Tunic.
Many thanks, Ross.

This is really good to know.

Would the same apply to Derek, but I'm assuming the Army rather than the RAF?

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ASPEY: Wirral & Tarvin, CHS
BARNETT: Hulme, Manchester & Oldham, LAN
BLACK: Grasmere, WES & Prescot, LAN
COTTAM, HEATON & LITTLER: Ashton-in-Makerfield, LAN
DIEHL: Germany & LAN
FORSHAW: Haydock, LAN
HARRISON: Newton-le-Willows, Haydock & Parr, LAN
JACKSON: Newton-le-Willows, LAN & Somerford Booths, CHS
PARKINSON: LAN
PHILLIPS: Chester, CHS & Manchester, LAN
MADDOCKS: WLS, CHS & LAN
ROSCOE: Sutton/Prescot, LAN


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Re: FORSHAW Brothers in WWII
« Reply #4 on: Friday 28 February 25 20:21 GMT (UK) »
Despite the good quality photograph of Derick, I can't make out his regiment from his capbadge.  It looks like a Maltese Cross within a wreath, similar to the Rifle Brigade, but it lacks the crown so it can't be that.

Neither he nor his brother have any medal ribbons which suggests that if they did serve during WW2, neither of them did enough days to qualify for any medal.The War Medal had the least amount  of qualification, which was 28 days in the armed services before 2 September 1945. The France and Germany Star only required a single day in either of those countries between 6 June 1944 and 8 May 1945.

However Derick is a Corporal which suggests that he has at least 18 months service, possibly longer. And he appears to be wearing a signaller's badge on his left cuff (crossed flags - see image below) which again suggests that he has been in the Army for long enough to qualify. Obviously based on his date of birth he could have joined up once he reached 18, at the very end of 1943, but I'm not sure exactly when he might have joined up, perhaps the Summer of 1945. Do you have a copy of Derick's wedding certificate? It's possible this will record his regiment, but probably not his Army number.

As Ross has said, David is in the RAF. Unfortunately it's not possible to identify any rank or trade badges on his uniform.

Incidentally I think there's a typo in your opening posting. David is David Herbert, hence why he was known as Bert. It was his father who was David Henry. I assume you already have the family's addresses in 1937, 1939 and 1946 (13 Latham Road, Newton Le Willows) and 1950 when their father died (149 Queen's Drive, Newton). In the 1939 register, although David's entry is open, there are two closed entries which I assume refer to Derick and Margaret (your nana).

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Re: FORSHAW Brothers in WWII
« Reply #5 on: Friday 28 February 25 20:32 GMT (UK) »
You start by using the same online system but for Army records you will be re-directed to the TNA with a reference number from Glasgow.

You will need to attach the proof of death again to TNA application as Glasgow will not transfer this over.

Much longer wait for TNA record delivery.

Ross
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Re: FORSHAW Brothers in WWII
« Reply #6 on: Friday 28 February 25 20:38 GMT (UK) »
Andy, that's excellent detective work and very helpful. Thank you 😊

Weirdly enough, I believe my Uncle Bert genuinely had David Henry on his birth certificate. His death certificate had David Henry on it.

We've got quite a lot of neurodivergent people in my family down the Forshaw line (almost everyone, in fact). I found out I was dyslexic when I was at school. When I found out, my nana said she believed her Dad was dyslexic also.

When my great-grandad registered Bert's birth, it was supposed to be with the name Herbert. My great-grandad realised he had no idea how to spell Herbert, panicked and put his own name: David Henry. Apparently, my great-grandma wasn't best pleased. But Bert always got called Bert by everyone who knew him.

Derick was supposed to be spelled Derek.

My nana's name was supposed to be Elizabeth Margaret, but my great-grandad ended up registering my nana's name as Margaret Betty. The names were the wrong way around, and Elizabeth was just too difficult of a word so it ended up as Betty on the birth certificate.

I do love this story 😊
ASPEY: Wirral & Tarvin, CHS
BARNETT: Hulme, Manchester & Oldham, LAN
BLACK: Grasmere, WES & Prescot, LAN
COTTAM, HEATON & LITTLER: Ashton-in-Makerfield, LAN
DIEHL: Germany & LAN
FORSHAW: Haydock, LAN
HARRISON: Newton-le-Willows, Haydock & Parr, LAN
JACKSON: Newton-le-Willows, LAN & Somerford Booths, CHS
PARKINSON: LAN
PHILLIPS: Chester, CHS & Manchester, LAN
MADDOCKS: WLS, CHS & LAN
ROSCOE: Sutton/Prescot, LAN

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Re: FORSHAW Brothers in WWII
« Reply #7 on: Friday 28 February 25 20:40 GMT (UK) »
Thanks again, Ross.

You're a star 🌟
ASPEY: Wirral & Tarvin, CHS
BARNETT: Hulme, Manchester & Oldham, LAN
BLACK: Grasmere, WES & Prescot, LAN
COTTAM, HEATON & LITTLER: Ashton-in-Makerfield, LAN
DIEHL: Germany & LAN
FORSHAW: Haydock, LAN
HARRISON: Newton-le-Willows, Haydock & Parr, LAN
JACKSON: Newton-le-Willows, LAN & Somerford Booths, CHS
PARKINSON: LAN
PHILLIPS: Chester, CHS & Manchester, LAN
MADDOCKS: WLS, CHS & LAN
ROSCOE: Sutton/Prescot, LAN

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Re: FORSHAW Brothers in WWII
« Reply #8 on: Friday 28 February 25 20:55 GMT (UK) »
Do you have a copy of Derick's wedding certificate? It's possible this will record his regiment, but probably not his Army number
I've just been checking.

We don't have Derick's marriage certificate, but I could order it easy enough. So, that still an avenue to follow.

I'm also in the process of scouring the local paper for Derick's wedding announcement (if there was one). As that might be helpful.

A quick technical RootsChat question. If I reply but don't quote, do you still get the notification?

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ASPEY: Wirral & Tarvin, CHS
BARNETT: Hulme, Manchester & Oldham, LAN
BLACK: Grasmere, WES & Prescot, LAN
COTTAM, HEATON & LITTLER: Ashton-in-Makerfield, LAN
DIEHL: Germany & LAN
FORSHAW: Haydock, LAN
HARRISON: Newton-le-Willows, Haydock & Parr, LAN
JACKSON: Newton-le-Willows, LAN & Somerford Booths, CHS
PARKINSON: LAN
PHILLIPS: Chester, CHS & Manchester, LAN
MADDOCKS: WLS, CHS & LAN
ROSCOE: Sutton/Prescot, LAN