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Brock family missing a few details
« on: Wednesday 26 February 25 19:38 GMT (UK) »
My GG grandfather is Edward Brock. His son William Edward was born in Devonport in 1862 and I have always struggled to track the family down with a little more certainty. There are a few erroneous trees on Ancestry and elsewhere. I started looking into him back in 2017 and had a few helpful pointers here. I thought I would pick up on this ancestor again and try to find some more information.

Edward Brock died on 25th March 1870 aged 45. A newspaper report suggests he died at the Tavistock Inn but his death certificate states elsewhere in Devonport (Quarry Street?)... His wife Mary Jane Brock was an Innkeeper at the inn in the 1871 census.

They had married in 1861 when Edward was 25(I'm a bit concerned about this inaccuracy as the evidence suggests he is older). Interestingly, his deceased father William is listed as a farmer from the wonderfully named Broadwoodwidger in north Devon.

I never managed to find Edward in the 1861 census. I wonder what happened to him? He was to marry later that year to Mary Jane Every, a widow with 3 daughters.

In the 1851 census, I think the family were living in Stoke Damerel - parents William and Martha (both 52), Edward 23 a blacksmith and younger sisters Jane H and Sarah. Interestingly, the family other than the youngest are listed as being Cornish. Markham is listed as the place of birth but is most likely Marhamchurch. I couldn't find a Markham.

The 1841 census had a likely match in Broadwoodwidger. The ages look a bit off but given the list of names, it looks like there are 3 generations of Brocks all resident in the one place.

First name(s)   Last name   Sex   Age   Birth year   Birth place
William   Brock   Male   35   1806   -
Martha   Brock   Female   35   1806   -
William   Brock   Male   15   1826   -
Thomas   Brock   Male   12   1829   -
Edward   Brock   Male   10   1831   -
John   Brock   Male   7   1834   -
Jane   Brock   Female   5   1836   -
Sarah   Brock   Female   3   1838   Devon, England
Ann   Jewell   Female   15   1826   Devon, England
William   Brock   Male   70   1771   -
Sarah   Brock   Female   70   1771   -

Similar names can be found in the Marhamchurch parish transcriptions for baptisms so I think I have the right family... Does this sound reasonable? There have been a number of different William Brocks appearing in family trees that don't seem to be a good match.

I'm struggling to track down Edward Brock in 1861 and his father William who died sometime between 1851 in Stoke Damerel and 1861 when his widow Martha is in the census back in Broadwoodwidger...

Thanks in advance for any answers anyone might come up with.


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Re: Brock family missing a few details
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 26 February 25 21:23 GMT (UK) »
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William Brock death recorded Stoke Damerel  March quarter 1858 age 56   Vol. 05B page 242

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Re: Brock family missing a few details
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 26 February 25 21:36 GMT (UK) »
Re Edward in 1861, have you found his wife to be in 1861 in case they were together?

The age is a bit concerning if he only leaps from 23 to 25  :-\

Probably should be 35, do you have the actual certificate with it on?  If so what was his residence at the time of marriage then can search for that address in 1861.
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Re: Brock family missing a few details
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 26 February 25 21:49 GMT (UK) »
Notes: I'm posting since I found it.

William Brock Jr. of Marhamchurch married Martha Hacker of Poundstock 13 May 1822 at Poundstock.

witness is William Hacker and J Symons

 


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Re: Brock family missing a few details
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 26 February 25 21:51 GMT (UK) »
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William Brock death recorded Stoke Damerel  March quarter 1858 age 56   Vol. 05B page 242

Thanks for that! I'll check it out. It may help explain why his widow returned to north Devon.

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Re: Brock family missing a few details
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 26 February 25 22:14 GMT (UK) »
Children of William Brock Jr. and Martha nee Hacker all baptised at Marhamchurch

William bap 24 May 1823
Thomas bap. 6 March 1825
*Edward bap 16 November 1826
John bap. 17 February 1829
Jane Hobbs bap. 9 March 1832
Sarah bap. 29 December 1833

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Re: Brock family missing a few details
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 26 February 25 22:21 GMT (UK) »
1861 Martha Brock widow 61 born Poundstock Cornwall is with her sister.
John Bray married Ann Hacker 2 January 1817 at Poundstock Cornwall

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Re: Brock family missing a few details
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 26 February 25 22:23 GMT (UK) »
Re Edward in 1861, have you found his wife to be in 1861 in case they were together?

The age is a bit concerning if he only leaps from 23 to 25  :-\

Probably should be 35, do you have the actual certificate with it on?  If so what was his residence at the time of marriage then can search for that address in 1861.

I do have the marriage certificate. He is 25 and working as a coal merchant delivery man. The address for both is Mount Street.

Interestingly, I did find Mary Every and her 3 daughters in the 1861 census. No sign of Edward though... Mary's father in law was there though.

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Re: Brock family missing a few details
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 26 February 25 22:44 GMT (UK) »
Mary Jane Hambly married William Every 1848 reg. Plymouth

children
Elizabeth Every 1849 reg. Liskeard
Jane Hambly Every 1850 reg. Stoke Damerel
Mary Every 1851 reg. Stoke Damerel  died 1852 age 0
Mary Susan Every 1854 reg. Stoke Damerel .

1861 she age 32 -Servant and daughters are at 6 Mount Street with father in law Thomas Every retired Farmer

ADDED
William Every died 1857 age 34 reg. Stoke Damerel