brick wall help please ! 4th great grandad Bailey

[Emzunicorn01]

Hi all

I have a brick wall for William Bailey/Bayley
He is my 4th Great Grandad born around 1796 (chistlehurst or deptford) died 1872 Greenwich Union.  I am looking for his family and his parents.

 I have found him living with his sister Caroline in 1861. His sister Caroline is a widow under the surname of BEDFORD. It looks like she has two children called John and Eliza Ann. I cannot find them under her maiden name so i think they was children who belonged to her husband. I cannot find a marriage cert between Caroline in her maiden name to Bedford. I think she was married before she married the Bedford man. I am struggling to find this ..
 
William Marries Diana Dean  1822 • Bromley, Kent...
In 1841 he is living in Chistlehearst Kent with Diana and his family. Surname was spelt Bayley job occupation Ag Lab. They have 5 children including Charlotte Bailey who is my 3rd great nan ...
all born in deptford ...

i would appricate any help...Thank you so much

[LizzieL]

In 1861, Caroline and Dinah both give their birthplaces as Chislehurst, could they be the sisters, and William should have listed Caroline as his sister in law?

[Emzunicorn01]

Hi this would make sense with Caroline thank you ...

[Ladyhawk]

Hi all

I have a brick wall for William Bailey/Bayley
He is my 4th Great Grandad born around 1796 (chistlehurst or deptford) died 1872 Greenwich Union.  I am looking for his family and his parents.

I have found him living with his sister Caroline in 1861. His sister Caroline is a widow under the surname of BEDFORD. It looks like she has two children called John and Eliza Ann.

I cannot find them under her maiden name so i think they was children who belonged to her husband.

I cannot find a marriage cert between Caroline in her maiden name to Bedford. I think she was married before she married the Bedford man. I am struggling to find this ..
 

Have you found Caroline or the children on 1851 census or have you found their birth entries on FreeBMD and compare on GRO indexes to determine mother's maiden name?  I'm struggling to find them


1861c
Piece   395
Folio   27
Page number   5

Willm Bailey 64 Head
Dinah 60 Wife
Caroline Bedford 55 Sister
John D Bedford   18 Son
Eliza Ann Bedford 11 Daughter

[LizzieL]

Can't find any of them either. I thought the initial after John's name was S rather than the D that has been transcribed, but not very clear.

[Ladyhawk]

Wondering about naming patterns of William & Dinah/Diana’s children 

Are these all the children bpt Chislehurst Kent

Martin Bailey   13 Sep 1838   
Charles Bailey   27 Jul 1834   
Charlotte Bayley 22 Apr 1832
Horace Bailey   12 Apr 1829
Caroline Bailey   30 Oct 1825
Walter George Bailey   20 Apr 1823   

1851 census William Bailey listed as Thos Wm Bailey 54 born Kent, coal merchant, Dinah 50 Chislehurst, Stephen Kensie s-i-l , their daughter Charlott 22 Chislehurst

Is this Dinah's baptism?

Diana Dean
Birth 16 Jan 1802
Christening 14 Feb 1802 Chislehurst, Kent
Father Thomas Dean Mother   Elisabeth

There are also these Chislehurst baptisms same parents names

Elizabeth Dean   29 Jan 1797      
James Dean   17 Jun 1787   
Henry Dean   18 Sep 1791   
Samuel Dean   12 Jan 1794   

[softly softly]

I too am struggling, thought John D may have been John Dean.

SS

[LizzieL]

Maybe Thomas and Elizabeth's marriage
St Pauls Deptford 15 Nov 1785, Thomas (widower) to Elizabeth Weatherley

[Emzunicorn01]

Wondering about naming patterns of William & Dinah/Diana’s children 

Are these all the children bpt Chislehurst Kent

Martin Bailey   13 Sep 1838   
Charles Bailey   27 Jul 1834   
Charlotte Bayley 22 Apr 1832
Horace Bailey   12 Apr 1829
Caroline Bailey   30 Oct 1825
Walter George Bailey   20 Apr 1823   

1851 census William Bailey listed as Thos Wm Bailey 54 born Kent, coal merchant, Dinah 50 Chislehurst, Stephen Kensie s-i-l , their daughter Charlott 22 Chislehurst

Is this Dinah's baptism?

Diana Dean
Birth 16 Jan 1802
Christening 14 Feb 1802 Chislehurst, Kent
Father Thomas Dean Mother   Elisabeth

There are also these Chislehurst baptisms same parents names

Elizabeth Dean   29 Jan 1797      
James Dean   17 Jun 1787   
Henry Dean   18 Sep 1791   
Samuel Dean   12 Jan 1794

Hi yes this all them !