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Re: Ancestry Thrulines doesn't show all relatives
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 06 March 25 11:11 GMT (UK) »
That is a helpful video. Thanks.

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Re: Ancestry Thrulines doesn't show all relatives
« Reply #28 on: Thursday 06 March 25 13:26 GMT (UK) »
If I don't recognise a match but can build their tree backwards I'll create a floating branch based on that match. I add the shared cM in the suffix box for easy reference in tree view and give them a custom profile picture so they stand out. I also link them to the tree from the dna match list page.

I work back down their pedigree line generation by generation and push each generation as wide as I can. If I find 10 children in a generation then I'll add them and try to add the spouse(s) for them too and when possible bring those branches forwards to the present day as best as I can.

I'll then go to the shared matches and find the closest relative to my match using protools, I then build the tree of that closest relative they have and do the suffix/linking/profile picture as above, the goal is to get to the point where the two trees merge, in many cases they attach to one of those wide branches I've already built. I repeat the process for as many of the shared matches as I can aiming to have a tree showing how they all link to each other. Final step is to add a custom profile picture to the ancestors of each match, this is done so that in tree view I can easily see branches that have dna descendants and those that don't.

Yes it's a lot of work and I won't pretend it is always easy to do but I've had new matches that pop up who are already in my tree or maybe their parent is, I've already done the hard part building the tree so it's quick and easy to do the linking/suffix/profile picture. I've managed to link as many as 40 matches to each other, identify the common ancestors and identify if it's a link via their maternal or paternal side, that saves a lot of wasted effort researching the 'wrong' parent which is a bonus too.  It's independent of Thrulines so avoids the no tree/wrong tree/private tree issues. Another plus is if I create a WATO tree (What are the Odds tree), I already have the cM figures in plain sight as the suffix to the name, there's no need to flick from one site to another and switch between matches for each of them.

It's hard to explain and I can imagine it's hard to follow when reading so I'll add a screengrab to try and illustrate it in next reply 

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Re: Ancestry Thrulines doesn't show all relatives
« Reply #29 on: Thursday 06 March 25 13:27 GMT (UK) »
DNA matches have the large coloured dna coil profile image  and are lower part of the image, gold for non Ancestry matches, blue for male Ancestry matches, Pink for female Ancestry matches (none shown in this example).

Their ancestors have a small gold dna coil in the top left of their profile picture, I simply click anyone with that gold symbol and can trace them down to a dna match. I could open up more lines (descendants of the people in the blue squares in the image),and in this case it would reveal almost 30 dna matches but for clarity I've just shown a couple of lines.

It's not perfect but it's a way to beat the 'add dna matches of' thing that Ancestry offer but that only works with Thrulines and needs a worldwide sub .   

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Re: Ancestry Thrulines doesn't show all relatives
« Reply #30 on: Thursday 06 March 25 16:54 GMT (UK) »
Great video link
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So really pleased to know how to add alternative names correctly and will share with someone I'm helping
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Re: Ancestry Thrulines doesn't show all relatives
« Reply #31 on: Thursday 06 March 25 23:04 GMT (UK) »
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It's hard to explain and I can imagine it's hard to follow when reading

No actually, it was really helpful thanks. I am about to have a go at it.

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Re: Ancestry Thrulines doesn't show all relatives
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 09 March 25 01:41 GMT (UK) »
I'd like to continue this discussion with an uodate and another question.

ThruLines now shows the second x Great Grandfather Hugh Jones who was missing before, plus his father. Trouble is, my tree shows Hugh Jones b1812 in Nefyn, and his father Hugh Jones, whereas ThruLines has Hugh Jones b1810 in Anglesey and his father Edward Jones.

I am not certain of my identification, I am just trying it out to see if ThruLines gives me any matches. I think the Anglesey identification is possible but less likely.

So ThruLines has over-ridden the tree I have entered and used the trees of other Ancestry users. Last time I criticised Ancestry I found that I was a major part of the fault, so I want to be slow to criticise again.

But shouldn't it take my tree as its starting point?

Any thoughts? Thanks

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Re: Ancestry Thrulines doesn't show all relatives
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 09 March 25 03:02 GMT (UK) »
I have built the tree of a match back way beyond the MRCA that we share more than once before now and the two trees may have a different name or date along the way but Thrulines will display the pedigree line of the match using their tree.

Its's probably better that way as I can see there's a difference if I bother to look  and can evaluate it if I wish. If Ancestry were to just insert my version of the pedigree it would be identical so why would I ever question it? 

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Re: Ancestry Thrulines doesn't show all relatives
« Reply #34 on: Sunday 09 March 25 22:34 GMT (UK) »
I have built the tree of a match back way beyond the MRCA that we share more than once before now and the two trees may have a different name or date along the way but Thrulines will display the pedigree line of the match using their tree.

Thanks for your thoughts on this. I am learning all the time.

Just to briefly explain what I am trying. I want to find a family in Wales in the 1800s. I have matches, but can't connect the matches to "my" tree (actually my cousin-in-law's tree). The multiple use of the same few names in Wales makes that task very difficult - there are always many different possibilities of the same names and in the same area. So I am trying different possibilities in ThruLines to see if any matches come up, thus saving me heaps of tedious work.

In my last post here, I described how ThruLines chose a different 3 x Great Grandfather than I had in my tree. So I tried a different Great Grandfather and this time Thrulines adjusted and showed this person. So that's all good (except still no matches so far).

So it seems there must be triggers or criteria that decide whether ThruLines shows my tree or the tree of matches, and I'd like to try to understand that. So I'm wondering if you could explain, please, what you mean by "Thrulines will display the pedigree line of the match using their tree".

Thanks.

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Re: Ancestry Thrulines doesn't show all relatives
« Reply #35 on: Monday 10 March 25 11:52 GMT (UK) »
DNA matches have the large coloured dna coil profile image  and are lower part of the image, gold for non Ancestry matches, blue for male Ancestry matches, Pink for female Ancestry matches (none shown in this example).

Their ancestors have a small gold dna coil in the top left of their profile picture, I simply click anyone with that gold symbol and can trace them down to a dna match. I could open up more lines (descendants of the people in the blue squares in the image),and in this case it would reveal almost 30 dna matches but for clarity I've just shown a couple of lines.

It's not perfect but it's a way to beat the 'add dna matches of' thing that Ancestry offer but that only works with Thrulines and needs a worldwide sub .

The “DNA Routing” for want of a better descriptor, that you describe is a great feature to add.

Up until now I only add a DNA Helix image as the matches profile image but I’ll create custom DNA Helix images to add.

Many thanks for posting