Adopted Grandfather - Unknown Birthname Lambeth 1918

[CaroleW]

Your opening post suggests that your father & the father of the first cousin were brothers.

Only one male child was born to the 1910 Bellringer/Dyer marriage & Laurence Bellringer snr did not remarry

How did you arrive at Laurence & Daisy being the parents of your father?

[Milliepede]

Yes I am a little confused myself how you got to Daisy as his mother but Laurence not his father.

If you can elaborate that would be great. 

[izonme]

My DNA match states that this match is my 1st cousin 1x removed, or so my Dad's 1st cousin which suggests that her dad and my grandfather were brothers. I also have a match with her niece which states she is my 2nd cousin. If this match didn't state that she is my 2nd cousin, I would have possibly  have said that maybe she is my Aunt rather than 1st cousin 1x removed. I also have 3 other matches in my DNA matches with the surname Bellringer so I'm almost certain that Lawrence is my great-grandfather.

My mum's 1st cousins also have done a DNA test but this match who is presumably my Dad's 1st cousin has higher Centimorgans and DNA percentage than me and my mum's cousins.

I asked this match about her dad (Roy) and his sister, Olivia. She believes Olivia did not have any children but Roy is her dad. My grandfather Lawrence Edgar Bellringer relocated to Wales after Daisy Dyer passed away. I also have quite a few matches when I type Dyer into surname matches. Which is why I believed Daisy is my great-grandmother. Hope this helps a bit further.

I'll have a look at GRO records to see if Daisy's death certificate is on there.

Thanks for helping

[izonme]

I have just purchased the death certicate. Can't really decipher what it says but I think

11th November 1918
Female, 34 years
Daisy Bellringer
of 12 Foxley Road
Wife of Laurence Edgar Bellringer (costermonger)
Reason: 1) Disseminated Sclerosis 2) ? Paraplegia
Certificated Registered: 13th November 1918

I believe this is what it states, but doesn't state childbirth as far as I can tell.  I have attached the section to see if anyone can transcribe it further.

[Mabel Bagshawe]

I'd agree with your reading of 1) and 2) is spastic paraplegia.

A bit of googling suggests a muscular/nervous system condition similar to MS

[CaroleW]

Olivia Frances Bellringer married in Essex 1941 to Charles F Wright.  No children showing

Olivia Frances Wright b 28.9.1911 died in Glamorgan in 1972

[rosie99]

Legal adoption did not come into force in England until the late 1920’s so the chance of finding any paperwork would be small. 

[izonme]

I'll go through my matches and see if I can find any further relations through Dyer line. But I am seeing a DNA match which I do not recognise. It states he is my grandparent's cousin or half great-grand uncle. However, the DNA match which could be my dad's 1st cousin, is not a shared match with this person.

If Olivia was born in 1911 and Laurence Roy was born in 1916, having a 5 year gap during this time was uncommon so there could have been a birth during those 5 years, if not possibly a baby out of wedlock with another woman

[CaroleW]

Summary

Laurence & Daisy had only 2 children -  Olivia Frances b 1911 & Laurence Roy b 1916 - both of whom can be found on the 1921 with father Laurence.  A five year age gap is not that uncommon - Daisy may have miscarried in between births

At some point Laurence Roy decided to switch his christian names around & become Roy Laurence

All of the above info is in earlier replies.

Your opening post suggests your father & the father of the first cousin were brothers but your reply 11 says that "her dad & my grandfather" were brothers which suggests 2 different generations.

Her father appears to be Laurence Roy Bellringer b 1916 who - as stated - did not have a brother

You are now suggesting that Laurence Edgar Bellringer could have fathered an illegitimate child??