Adopted Grandfather - Unknown Birthname Lambeth 1918

[jorose]

I used DNA painter to map out the tree and known matches, and at the moment I think the strongest possiblity considering ages is that the boy born 1947 (half-sibling to one of your matches, and full uncle to the other), is your grandfather.

https://dnapainter.com/tools/probability

[brigidmac]

Joroses conclusion is good

You would have connections to the Dyer surname as it would be this boys grandmother

# & your main match would be your aunt ( or half aunt)
Her niece your half cousin ?

Next step is to check for any connections to Roy's mother's surname ...this would probably be your Welsh grandparent.

Have you arranged your distant matches into locations ?
I would add a colour code for all those with Welsh origins (useful if no tree or locked or unlinked )

Plus a colour code for that lady's mother's surname .

[brigidmac]

Is the boy born 1947 the father of your other match ?

Another possibility is that Roy
(your great grandfather) Had another son outside marriage but check out the other theories first .

# DNA match suggestions don't give priority to relationships that are half
So 2nd cousin is the relationship suggested but half cousin is just as likely ( sharing 1 set of greatgrandparent )

[izonme]

Just updating that I still haven't found my biological grandfather- still looking even 1 month after posting this topic. I gathered the possibility of my grandfather being either the son born in 1947 and 1948 and checked their mother and her maiden name through my DNA matches, and still found nothing. The son born in 1947 passed away about 3 years ago according to my DNA match who is his sister. So as he has passed away, if anyone wants to check him further. I tried to look for Welsh DNA matches and I don't have any matches who are Welsh, and I do not have his mothers maiden name in my DNA matches (Mason). But I do have Roy's family surname in my DNA matches, (Bellringer, Dyer).

I have a close match that could possibly help out here. This match is not related to the DNA match who is Roy's Daughter, but both are through my dads paternal side. Ancestry said it's possible he could be 1st cousin 2x removed or half great-uncle, however, I sent him a message and he hasn't responded. However I also have a few matches that are directly from a Thomas Edward Killick and a Mabel Parfitt.

It is still a possibility Roy had another child considering it says half great-aunt for Roy's daughter, but It's also a possibility Laurence Edgar had another child due to the 4th matched listed below:

Roy's Daughter
Shared DNA: 7.0% | 507 cM
Shared segments: 16
Largest segment: 100 cM
Predicted: 1st Cousin 1x Removed or half great-aunt

Unknown Match related to biological grandfather
Shared DNA: 5% |325 cM
Shared segments: 12
Largest segment 59 cM
Predicted: Predicted: 1st cousin 2x removed or half great-uncle
Note: Not a Match with matches linked with Roy


Roy's Granddaughter
Shared DNA: 4.0% | 282.2cm
Shared segments: 6
Largest segment: 100.9‎ cM
Predicted: 2nd Cousin (MyHeritage)

Unknown cousin connection related to Roy - confused as Laurence Edgar only had children, Olivia and Roy according to sources: (First match doesnt know him either)
Shared DNA: 3% | 185 cM
Shared segments: 7
Largest segment: 90 cM
Predicted: 2nd cousin 1x removed or 1st cousin 2x removed (Ancestry)
Note: Related to Thomas Edward Killick (1900) and a Mabel Parfitt (1897)

Unknown Match related to biological grandfather
Shared DNA: 2% | 150cM
Shared segments: 7
Largest segment 58 cM
Predicted: 2nd cousin 1x removed or half 1st cousin 2x removed
Note: Not a Match with matches linked with Roy


Unknown Match related to biological grandfather
Shared DNA: 2% | 105cM
Shared segments: 7
Largest segment 31 cM
Predicted: half 2nd cousin 1x removed or 2nd cousin 2x removed
Note: Not a Match with matches linked with Roy

[coombs]

I would say that it could be a possibility. Ancestry states my match could be my 1st cousin 1x removed or my half-great aunt. If her mother is from one of his other marriages it would mean she would be my dads half-aunt and then my half-great aunt. It could be a possibility, i’ll send her a message and see if she has any info

Have you got the marriage cert of your gran Pauline in late 1965 in Southwark? It seems she was several months pregnant at the time she married, if you dad was born Feb 1966. The marriage cert will give where she was living in the last quart of 1965. I would imagine the legal father is named on your dad's 1966 birth certificate, as opposed to the biological father.

[izonme]

My gran was born in Bermondsey - my dad was born in Lambeth which is around the same area. I do still think that Roy Bellringer is most likely to be my great-grandfather due to the DNApainter