Henry Brown of Norwich

[NorthernGeezer]

I have a great grandfather, Harry Brown (1884-1962) born and died in Manchester but have his father listed on his marriage certificate in 1906 to Ada Mary Ashton (1884-1949) as Henry Brown.
Henry is listed on the 1881 census as living in Manchester with his wife Emma (Malbon) and is 28 putting a potential DOB as 1853, I have the GRO marriage details as potentially 9 December 1879 in Manchester but no certificate which would give me Henrys father, and then the problems really start..............the 1891 census, again in Manchester but age 43 puts his DOB at 1848, its the same guy as Emma is shown as 23 in 1891 and 33 in 1891 in Manchester, I cant find the 1901 census but the 1911 census has Emma as a widow in Manchester age 53 so the dates tie in.
I have a GRO death record for Henry (8c/386) in 1910 age 59 giving a DOB as 1851 
And then, the trail goes cold.
Any help to move this on would be gratefully appreciated.

[rosie99]

Henry is listed on the 1881 census as living in Manchester with his wife Emma (Malbon) and is 28 putting a potential DOB as 1853, I have the GRO marriage details as potentially 9 December 1879 in Manchester but no certificate which would give me Henrys father, and then the problems really start..............

Marriage names his father as Henry Brown occ Drover.  Henry junior was an Excavator.

[NorthernGeezer]

5 minutes after posting I found the marriage certificate rosie 
My research regarding the Browns in Norwich is proving difficult though, given Henry has at least 3 DOBs.

[Cas (stallc)]

Wonder if this is the 1901 for family. Ages are out

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/7814/records/22953208

1901 Withington
Henry Brown 45 Head
Emma Brown 40 Wife
Harry Brown   11   Son
William Brown 9 Son

Cas

[NorthernGeezer]

Your right Cas, the bane of genealogy is how crap the census records are 
The ages ARE out but the census is in the right place and the 5 year gap between Henry and Emma works too, Withington isn't a big conurbation, i was born in the same hospital some of my relatives died in, so the chances of there being a similar family around there is slim at best.
Henry married Emma in 1879 when he was 26, he's down on the marriage certificate as an excavator, which is probably a posh labourer, its a fair stretch from Norfolk to Manchester but there would have been plenty of that type of work around that time, not so his father Henry who's occupation is listed as a drover, not many sheep or cows in Manchester then  so the search continues for the link i think.

[amondg]

1911 Emma says she had 11 children, 6 living 5 deceased.

GRO Index al registered Chorlton mother's maiden name Malbon

Henry Edwin 1880   died 1881 age 1*
Emma Jane  1881
Elizabeth 1883
Harry 1884
Ada Maria 1886  died 1887 age 1*
William Malbon 1888       bap. 21 April 1888 Withington  --(dies WWI  1917)
George Edwin 1890    died 1890*
Percy Christopher 1892   died 1897 age 5*
Mary Matilda 1894   (mother's name transcribed as Walbon)
Charles Arthur 1896  (mother's name transcribed as Melbon)
Bertha Lilian 1898   died 1898*

* those who died before 1911.

ADDED
Henry Edwin is on the 1881 census with his parents he died later that year so not the same Henry/Harry in 1891 census

[amondg]

Manchester Evening News dated 16 June 1910  (also on the 15th and 17th)

Brown, Henry the beloved husband of Emma Brown of 2 Oxford Terrace, Withington at the above address died suddenly 13 June 1910. Friends please accept this as the only intimation. Funeral Saturday a 4. Withington Parish Church.
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He was buried 18 June 1910 by Coroner's Order ref; Parish register age 59. 

[NorthernGeezer]

Nice work amondg.
I'm happy that the Henry/Harry on the 1891 census is my great grandfather, all the other information, baptism, birth GRO, marriage and death GRO confirm such.
Didn't know about his dead namesake but as yet I'll revisit the 1881 census.
Harrys father Is a Henry Brown from Norwich and that's my stumbling block at the moment, a lot of Henry's and a lot of Browns in that neck of the woods, my suspicion is he's the son of a John Brown based on a 1841 census record but I've no evidence yet to prove this.

[amondg]

I tried to find possible parents by the names of the children but was not successful.

First son usually named after paternal grandfather,- Henry Edwin seems to be named for father Henry and his mother's brother Edwin Malbon.
First daughter Emma Jane usually named for maternal grandmother, is named for her mother Emma and grandmother Jane Malbon nee Wood, (first wife of Elijah Malbon) .
Second daughter Elizabeth usually named for paternal grandmother is it possible Henry's mother was Elizabeth?