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Re: Looking for information for Hawkins Family
« Reply #27 on: Friday 21 February 25 02:49 GMT (UK) »
interesting, indeed Wiki agrees https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acts_of_Union_1800
Article V united the established Church of England and Church of Ireland into "one Protestant Episcopal Church, to be called, The United Church of England and Ireland"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Ireland

Ultimately the Supreme Governor of the Church of Ireland from 1537 to 1870 was the King/Queen (apart from during the reign of Mary 1) under the Acts of Supremacy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acts_of_Supremacy

https://www.churchofireland.org/our-faith/church-teaching/irish-and-universal

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Re: Looking for information for Hawkins Family
« Reply #28 on: Friday 21 February 25 03:08 GMT (UK) »

Ultimately the Supreme Governor of the Church of Ireland from 1534 to 1870 was the King/Queen (apart from during the reign of Mary 1) under the Acts of Supremacy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acts_of_Supremacy

https://www.churchofireland.org/our-faith/church-teaching/irish-and-universal

Quite, which was why I was careful to specify that the Archbishop of Canterbury was "clerical head".

As for the CofI website, I sent them an email many years ago that it was strange that they don't provide the text or post a copy of the Royal Charter, which provided the legal basis for the Church post 1/1/1871. I don't recall a reply. I can only guess that it might be embarassing.
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Re: Looking for information for Hawkins Family
« Reply #29 on: Friday 21 February 25 03:28 GMT (UK) »
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Also when I'm starting to research I have a quick look at the 1901/1911 Irish censuses just to find out where the families of that name are mainly found in ireland

John Grenham's Irish Ancestors site allows input of both surnames can probably do one or two before his daily paywall limit kicks in. https://www.johngrenham.com/blog/2023/01/25/new-marriage-maps/

other sites producing maps rather than text
1901/1911 https://www.barrygriffin.com/surname-maps/irish/
Surname Distribution mid 1800s https://www.swilson.info/sdist.php
and https://www.barrygriffin.com/surname-maps/irish/GRIFFITHS/

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Re: Looking for information for Hawkins Family
« Reply #30 on: Friday 21 February 25 03:37 GMT (UK) »
Addendum:
Article Four of the 1800 Acts of Union provided, inter alia:
"that all Lords Spiritual of Ireland shall have rank and precedency next and immediately after the Lords Spiritual of the same rank and degree of Great Britain"
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Re: Looking for information for Hawkins Family
« Reply #31 on: Friday 21 February 25 10:20 GMT (UK) »
 Wexflyer I support what you are saying.  From common usage in the north, members of my family called themselves Anglicans from words 'Church of England' (anglo is a prefix).

I don't think they saw themselves as different from people attending Anglican churches in any place around the world where we have our own Bishops/rites in some cases. Altough clearly there was a point of pride in having Irish 'Anglican' bishops.  In NZ we call ourselves Anglicans even though we have NZ Archbishop/bishops etc. 

In my limited experience the greater difference in protestant churches in Ireland is between CofI/COE whatever you call them, and the Presbyterians rather than branches of the Anglican church in Ireland, England, India, Australia etc....... 

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Re: Looking for information for Hawkins Family
« Reply #32 on: Friday 21 February 25 11:05 GMT (UK) »
By 1860 your James was married to Mary PRICE so the one on the 1860 census aged 22 and born in Dublin can't be him.

1860

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9BS3-Y4P

Marriage licence for James HAWKINS and Mary BARROW formerly PRICE in 1854

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GBS8-5RS

Probably Mary's first marriage to James Cathrup BARROW in 1852

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GBS6-9LFR

Census and death records (posted earlier) suggest that James was born around 1820.

Debra  :)


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Re: Looking for information for Hawkins Family
« Reply #33 on: Friday 21 February 25 18:04 GMT (UK) »
Thanks to all of the help and suggestions. When I made my first post I didn't expect to receive much help. Now I am overwhelmed by all of you suggestions and right now I not sure what my next steps are going to be.
I will get all of the information that I can for the children of James/Mary and then get all of the census information.
It is frustrating that I have death certificates and other documents stating that both James and Mary were born in Ireland but I cannot find out what county they were born. I also don't have information on when they immigrated or their naturalization.
I have been using FamilySearch.com but I am not finding much information so I guess that I will have to get a membership to Ancestry.com . I find that $169 for 6 months is expensive but I think they probably have the most historical information stored.
I think that I have stated on an earlier post that in the 1980's my father received a letter stating that he is the sole heir of some property. My father has passed away so I don't know where in Ireland but one of my brother's said it was in Cork but I have no document to prove this.
Thanks

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Re: Looking for information for Hawkins Family
« Reply #34 on: Friday 21 February 25 21:05 GMT (UK) »
I think you are being hasty to pay for Ance$try membership. Some of us have asked for further information. Once you have provided that, assimilated what has been given and asked followup questions then make your decsion. Early days yet.

There have been suggestions for databases etc to check. have you done this?

ETA Have you given information from the death certificates or links so we can check?

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« Reply #35 on: Friday 21 February 25 21:50 GMT (UK) »
$169 for 6 months IS expensive, full advertised price paid in a lump sum - thats £267 annually.

In UK many with a lapsed sub subscribe for half the published price.
£90 / $114 rather than £180 for a lump sum annual worldwide sub.
World access is World access regardless of home country and usual domain com uk ca au etc and your logon/password works on all, but if you want to pay in $ ask locally.
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World Explorer Access if in USA advertised as $33 (£26), if in UK World £19.99/month paid monthly.
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