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Re: Looking for information for Hawkins Family
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 20 February 25 15:36 GMT (UK) »
I guess that I worded that wrong. I was asking if it was worth paying for a subscription to Ancestry.
Do they have access to databases that are not available in the suggestions that you sent

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Re: Looking for information for Hawkins Family
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 20 February 25 15:46 GMT (UK) »
I think we wrongly assumed you had one already that you had used for your US research and DNA, or perhaps you just have US rather than World access.
A sub to Ancestry is unlikely to assist with a quest for Church of Ireland records in the 1830's.

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Re: Looking for information for Hawkins Family
« Reply #20 on: Friday 21 February 25 00:04 GMT (UK) »
OP - so you have census return saying that James Hawkins was born in Dublin, and you know he was Anglican.
Dublin Anglican records are online at IrishGenealogy site - free. If I search for a birth from 1830 (as ages were often older than stated) to 1840, then I see 3 Anglican baptisms for a James Hawkins within that period.
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/search.jsp?namefm=james&namel=hawkins&location=dublin&yyfrom=1830&yyto=1840&submit=Search
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: Looking for information for Hawkins Family
« Reply #21 on: Friday 21 February 25 00:06 GMT (UK) »
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Every one of my father's family was Episcopalian so their religion maybe the Church of England.
If your family were Episcopalian then all the R.C. baptisms online (with variable start dates, some as late as the 1860's) are pointless to search. Church of Ireland records may or may not exist

Technically OP is correct. There was no Church of Ireland from 1/1/1801 to 1/1/1871. There was that part of the United Church of England and Ireland in that part of the United Kingdom known as Ireland.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area


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Re: Looking for information for Hawkins Family
« Reply #22 on: Friday 21 February 25 00:10 GMT (UK) »
I think someone has already mentioned looking for immigration data in the country of arrival.

 Another tip is to look for your people on every census in their new country.  This is important as some /one US censuses has a question asking 'how long have you lived in the US?'  You can often use this to pinpoint when the family/person arrived in the US, where, who came with them and some times where they embarked. Where they embarked  can also provide clues.  Sometimes families from the north sailed, in early times from Londonderry, or later Liverpool. 
Belfast
Cobh (in those days known as Queenstown). 

Also when I'm starting to research I have a quick look at the 1901/1911 Irish censuses just to find out where the families of that name are mainly found in ireland.  Sometimes you can find an elderly person with a first name of one of the children to the families in the US.

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/

Looking at the Irish naming pattersn can be useful

A traditional naming pattern was often used by Irish parents until the later 19th century:

First son usually named for the father's father
Second son usually named for the mother's father
Third son usually named for the father
Fourth son usually named for the father's eldest brother
Fifth son usually named for the mother's eldest brother
First daughter usually named for the mother's mother
Second daughter usually named for the father's mother
Third daughter usually named for the mother
Fourth daughter usually named for the mother's eldest sister
Fifth daughter usually named for the father's eldest sister.

https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Ireland_Naming_Customs

I have a US Census from 6/4/1860 that shows a James Hawkins, age 22 from Dublin Ireland living in New Orleans. Not sure if this is the correct James but his age of 22 would be feasible.
I have a migration form for the gulf ports region saying that a James Hawkins Jr arrived during 1846, age 7 and from Ireland. The age matches but not sure if this is the correct person



Could you please provide a link to these please.  Surely James Hawkins aged 7 in 1846 did not come by himself???

The 1870 census you have linked to has these children Thomas,  John (14),  Mary, William, Catherine (91/2). In view of the large gaps in ages between John and mary, william and catherine have you got a complete list of the children born to this couple - even if they subsequently died young as naming patterns could still have been used. 

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Re: Looking for information for Hawkins Family
« Reply #23 on: Friday 21 February 25 00:18 GMT (UK) »
Looking just at Dublin, I see 3 Anglican baptisms for a Mary Price in the period 1830-1845
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BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: Looking for information for Hawkins Family
« Reply #24 on: Friday 21 February 25 00:25 GMT (UK) »
Looking just at Dublin, I see 3 Anglican baptisms for a Mary Price in the period 1830-1845
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01to0/

I think if the OP finds an Enock or Matilda Caroline from his James to the names above then we're away!

All jokes aside, OP, a list of the children of the first James who came to the US with names and DoB in order will be useful. 


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Re: Looking for information for Hawkins Family
« Reply #25 on: Friday 21 February 25 02:32 GMT (UK) »
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Technically OP is correct. There was no Church of Ireland from 1/1/1801 to 1/1/1871. There was that part of the United Church of England and Ireland in that part of the United Kingdom known as Ireland.

OP referred to the Church of England. But Ok that is the wording on Civil marriages 1845 until disestablishment 1871. However, when it comes to online searches, The List of Church of Ireland Parish Registers and the likes of Clare Santry's background guides suggested earlier, the terminology used is always Church of Ireland "Tracing your Irish Protestant ancestors in Church of Ireland records".
The churches were in Ireland with the head the Archbishop of Armagh and Primate of All Ireland, not the Archbishop of Canterbury, second in command the Archbishop of Dublin Primate of Ireland. It was the ununited 'Church of Ireland' pre Union 1801 but shared the same 1662 Book of Common Prayer as the C of E.

The United church aspect as discussed previously on RootsChat
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=757072.0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archbishop_of_Armagh

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Re: Looking for information for Hawkins Family
« Reply #26 on: Friday 21 February 25 02:43 GMT (UK) »
Acts of Union, 1800:
"That it be the Fifth Article of Union, That the Churches of England and Ireland, as now by law established, be united into one Protestant Episcopal Church; to be called the United Church of England and Ireland; and that the doctrine, worship, discipline, and government of the said United Church shall be and shall remain in full force for ever, as the same are now by law established for the Church of England; and that the continuance and preservation of the said United Church, as the Established Church of England and Ireland, shall be deemed and taken to be an essential and fundamental part of the Union."

You will notice that it says that the "discipline, and government of the said United Church" are to be "the same are now by law established for the Church of England". Meaning that the Archbishop of Canterbury was clerical head. The four Anglican Archbishops in Ireland (until the 1830s, then 2) had the same status as the Archbishop of York in England.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area