Bigamy? Faked death? Amazing coincidence? Something else?

[heywood]

I've found that marriage record now, thanks for the tip. I'm going to suggest John Sandle is the same person because the witnesses to the marriage were Charles Barrand and Charlotte Eden, Charlotte Sandle's niece and her future husband, so I'm thinking the John Sandle who married Sarah Williamson was Charlotte Sandle's brother, and their father had a career change in the 21 years between Charlotte's and John's weddings.

I am sorry, I missed your various replies.
Later in this thread, you write that you think that John is Charlotte’s nephew.
My thoughts were that John Sandle is Charlotte’s son - John Eden in 1851.

[asingardenof]

The William that married Eliza might be the gilder journeyman living in Mount Pleasant in 1841.

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Debra 

Agreed, the William I'm interested in was still living at home in 1841.

[asingardenof]

Debra found the same one in reply #6.
Possibly the one from Wigan?

I believe this is the case, yes.

[asingardenof]

Perhaps one of these birth registrations is incorrect and should be 'Thomas' instead of William.

EDEN, WILLIAM
Mother's maiden surname: SANDELL     
GRO Reference: 1844  M Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 20  Page 456

EDEN, WILLIAM
Mother's maiden surname: SUNDELL     
GRO Reference: 1846  M Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 20  Page 493

Debra 

Rather than ‘Thomas’, I wonder if the second birth here is Charles - born abt 1846.
William b 1844 shows in later censuses.

I think you're right. Both birth records have the father as William Eden, carver and gilder, and the mother being Charlotte Eden formerly Sandell (the "Sundell" is a transcription error), so it looks like William has probably been entered erroneously for Charles's birth.

[asingardenof]

I've found that marriage record now, thanks for the tip. I'm going to suggest John Sandle is the same person because the witnesses to the marriage were Charles Barrand and Charlotte Eden, Charlotte Sandle's niece and her future husband, so I'm thinking the John Sandle who married Sarah Williamson was Charlotte Sandle's brother, and their father had a career change in the 21 years between Charlotte's and John's weddings.

I am sorry, I missed your various replies.
Later in this thread, you write that you think that John is Charlotte’s nephew.
My thoughts were that John Sandle is Charlotte’s son - John Eden in 1851.

I think I'm going to need to sit down with a pen and paper to work all this out!

[asingardenof]

There is a burial in 1890, Toxteth Cemetery fir:
Charlotte Eden, 73 yrs.
This gives a birth around 1817.

This is definitely the right Charlotte. Her death certificate states she's the widow of William Eden, journeyman carver and gilder, with her address given as 22 Upper Warwick Street.

This was the address of her son Charles at his death in October 1889 which is when Charlotte was admitted to the workhouse, so I'm guessing she lived with him for a time, though he only lived there for about a year.

[heywood]

It is a pity we can’t find Charlotte in 1861. I have searched so often.
The Circus Street address occurs often in the various records.

The burial record states that Charlotte died in the Workhouse - maybe because she was ill rather than a resident. Was Charles the informant?

1881 shows her living with her daughter Sarah. Sarah is shown as born about 1852. We have that 1871 census where Charlotte is recorded as Sarah (if it is correct)  but 1861 would be so helpful in showing the family.

[asingardenof]

It is a pity we can’t find Charlotte in 1861. I have searched so often.
The Circus Street address occurs often in the various records.

The burial record states that Charlotte died in the Workhouse - maybe because she was ill rather than a resident. Was Charles the informant?

1881 shows her living with her daughter Sarah. Sarah is shown as born about 1852. We have that 1871 census where Charlotte is recorded as Sarah (if it is correct)  but 1861 would be so helpful in showing the family.

Agreed, that missing census would probably clear a lot of things up.

I found her workhouse record and it looks like she was admitted for bronchitis on 8th October 1889, probably a few weeks before Charles's death. The informant for her death was her son William Christopher (although it appears to be written W E Eden).

There is a Sarah Eden born around that time in Liverpool but her mother's maiden name is Wareing, and in any event she can't be William's daughter because he died in 1847.

What throws me as well is this marriage record of Sarah Eden of Circus St to August Sorensen in 1874, where her father is recorded as William Christopher Eden, a carver. I have no idea who that person is because William died in 1847, William from Wigan didn't have a daughter called Sarah. William Christopher wasn't born until around 1844 so would have been 9 at her birth, so if that is the right person possibly this Sarah was adopted? Every other instance of William Christopher I can find has him as a carter not a carver.

Ugh, this is doing my head in.

[heywood]

People invented names or used other family names in records.
The two women are together as mother and daughter in 1871 and 1881.
Maybe Sarah was registered under a different name from a relationship or, since we can’t find a birth, she may have been taken in by Charlotte, as you say.