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Re: Bigamy? Faked death? Amazing coincidence? Something else?
« Reply #9 on: Monday 17 February 25 09:26 GMT (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat.
With regard to son John, there is a marriage in 1862
John Sandle, full age, Labourer, Circus Street - father John Sandle, umbrella maker.
Sarah Wilkiamson, Circys Street x father John Williamson, porter
Witnesses - Charlotte Eden and ? Barrand

Whilst this might not ‘prove’ that John Sandle was his father, it might indicate that William was not.

*1851, Charlotte was an umbrella maker. She also gave John Sandle as her father but he was a stone mason.

Another thing to note is that 1841 census was 6th June and William and Charlotte married 7th June.
Have you found Charlotte in 1841?

On reflection, and without any evidence to back this up (yet), based on the potential ages of those involved the John who married Sarah might be Charlotte's nephew, and his father might be Charlotte's brother where they were in business together.

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Re: Bigamy? Faked death? Amazing coincidence? Something else?
« Reply #10 on: Monday 17 February 25 09:35 GMT (UK) »
Here is William Hayden - baptised Wigan to Parents Thomas (a cooper) and Margaret - 1st June 1817.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N6N8-JX7?lang=en

There were siblings baptised as Eden

That would presumably rule out the William married to Eliza
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Re: Bigamy? Faked death? Amazing coincidence? Something else?
« Reply #11 on: Monday 17 February 25 10:32 GMT (UK) »
The William that married Eliza might be the gilder journeyman living in Mount Pleasant in 1841.

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Re: Bigamy? Faked death? Amazing coincidence? Something else?
« Reply #12 on: Monday 17 February 25 11:40 GMT (UK) »
That looks likely, Debra, so I would say that the ‘amazing coincidence’ is just that.
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Re: Bigamy? Faked death? Amazing coincidence? Something else?
« Reply #13 on: Monday 17 February 25 13:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi
Yes looking at the 2 signatures for William who married in 1841 and William who married Eliza 1844 definitely not the same man. Yours has a big loop on the N.

The Barrand witness is probably a brother in law.
Charlotte Eden junior married Charles Barrand 25.12.1862 St Nicholas  also of Circus St
Charles 1840-20.101865 and then Charlotte remarries.

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Re: Bigamy? Faked death? Amazing coincidence? Something else?
« Reply #14 on: Monday 17 February 25 13:13 GMT (UK) »
Another marriage to peruse.
16th March 1874
August Sorensen, butcher, Virgil Street
Sarah Eden, full age, spinster, Circus Street - father William Christopher Eden, Carver

1881 3593 /141/8
August and Sarah are living in Virgil Street with
Charlotte Eden, 67 yrs Mother in Law, b Bath, Gloucestershire

1871 3790 /52/33
46 Circus Street
Sarah Eden 56 yrs Umbrella Maker b Somerset, Bath
Sarah 20 yrs Daughter in service b Liverpool






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Re: Bigamy? Faked death? Amazing coincidence? Something else?
« Reply #15 on: Monday 17 February 25 13:39 GMT (UK) »
There is a burial in 1890, Toxteth Cemetery fir:
Charlotte Eden, 73 yrs.
This gives a birth around 1817.
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Re: Bigamy? Faked death? Amazing coincidence? Something else?
« Reply #16 on: Monday 17 February 25 13:51 GMT (UK) »
Moving to Somerset.....

 Charlotte Sandell bap Walcot St Swithins. 8th Jan 1815 daughter of John and Sarah of Avon Street . Father a Mason.


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Liscoe -all
Green/Simpson/Underwood-Beds
Walker/Foulkes/Fookes/Fooks/Hedges/Lamborne-Bucks.
Stanton/Pattrick/Cooper/Fitzjohn/Holland/Spalding-London
 Rewallin/Underwood -Devon
 Casbolt-London/Cambridge
 Favell/Favel - Lincs-Beds

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Re: Bigamy? Faked death? Amazing coincidence? Something else?
« Reply #17 on: Monday 17 February 25 13:56 GMT (UK) »
Super find, Tazzie.
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